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On May 24 2014 05:13 Redox wrote:
But going to Korea worked out so great for CLG, C9 should be able to do the same!
It was a different time.
I just think the whole "Riot doesn't make things comfortable for us and doesn't let us participate in the best league in offseason :/" just proves that these teams either aren't sure that participating in OGN/NLB would help them improve, or they actually don't care about improving as much as about money/fame/comfort. It's all fine though, I don't hate, but I'm sorta annoyed that Riot is the bad guy because all these teams would foshizzle participate in OGN and improve if it weren't for Rito :p
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On May 24 2014 05:19 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:18 Swagasaurus wrote:
Don't consider it an upset when curse wins this game Lol.
Lol.
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On May 24 2014 05:18 Lylat wrote:
Did Xpecial teach Cop how to autoattack in teamfight ? Let's see !
Seventh time's the charm?
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On May 24 2014 05:18 Lylat wrote:
Did Xpecial teach Cop how to autoattack in teamfight ? Let's see !
No way.
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lol curse and clg talking about scrim results like it matters...riot pls
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On May 24 2014 05:18 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:16 Sleight wrote:On May 24 2014 05:13 Redox wrote:On May 24 2014 05:12 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:09 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:05 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:02 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
C9 should really lead the charge trying to Riot to fix their schedule in 2015. They are seriously capped if they continue to play only NA. No, just fuck Riot and go to Korea, noone is stopping them, they can just play in second part of spring challenger series if they want to qualify from NA. that's a pretty bad financial decision for both c9, salary wise and with their ability to secure sponsors, OGN for english speaking sponsors is still extreme niche, LCS gets ~200k viewers 2-4 times a week during the season Then stay in NA and rack those checks, I just don't think it should be Riot's decision to let foreign teams invade OGN. Unless OGN does some Invitional in partnership with Riot as an extension of the tournament circuit (Regional leagues -> World -> Super-League in KR). Can't they really take small cut from sponsor's salary when they can still earn money from streaming or vlogs and shit... and actually compete in a good league where every match will be a challenge? if they can't make enough money to not have jobs on the side, playing in OGN won't make them any better, and the reality is the probly can't it's not like a moving to OGN won't let them drive Escalades argument But going to Korea worked out so great for CLG, C9 should be able to do the same! That CLG was naive and way worse by comparison. C9's problem is that they need to improve as individuals to supplement great teamwork. CLG didn't have any amount of teamwork to begin with. Korea is the only way I see Hai, Sneaky, and Lemon getting pushed hard enough to max out. Balls and Meteos seem to steadily improve mechanically. He was being sarcastic, CLG's trip to Korea costed them roughly 75% of TSM's fanbase, CLG was 'the' team before they left, and TSM has been ever since
I'd argue CLG not streaming on Twitch is what cost them most fans.
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On May 24 2014 05:17 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:13 Redox wrote:On May 24 2014 05:12 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:09 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:05 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:02 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
C9 should really lead the charge trying to Riot to fix their schedule in 2015. They are seriously capped if they continue to play only NA. No, just fuck Riot and go to Korea, noone is stopping them, they can just play in second part of spring challenger series if they want to qualify from NA. that's a pretty bad financial decision for both c9, salary wise and with their ability to secure sponsors, OGN for english speaking sponsors is still extreme niche, LCS gets ~200k viewers 2-4 times a week during the season Then stay in NA and rack those checks, I just don't think it should be Riot's decision to let foreign teams invade OGN. Unless OGN does some Invitional in partnership with Riot as an extension of the tournament circuit (Regional leagues -> World -> Super-League in KR). Can't they really take small cut from sponsor's salary when they can still earn money from streaming or vlogs and shit... and actually compete in a good league where every match will be a challenge? if they can't make enough money to not have jobs on the side, playing in OGN won't make them any better, and the reality is the probly can't it's not like a moving to OGN won't let them drive Escalades argument But going to Korea worked out so great for CLG, C9 should be able to do the same! worked out well for clg.eu, and tbf clg did pretty good. iirc both times they were knocked out of playoffs in ro8 was by the team that ended up winning the tournament. clg got screwed mostly by own3d, not their trip to korea. xpecial looking good in the curse jacket.
The big thing that CLG.na lost was their status as the most popular NA team, and they were supplanted by TSM (who never looked back). Possibly CLG could have won the #1 NA team back had they been able to beat TSM at all in the subsequent tournaments, however TSM went from strength to strength while CLG was never quite the same.
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On May 24 2014 05:18 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:On May 24 2014 05:17 wei2coolman wrote:On May 24 2014 05:13 Redox wrote:On May 24 2014 05:12 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:09 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:05 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:02 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
C9 should really lead the charge trying to Riot to fix their schedule in 2015. They are seriously capped if they continue to play only NA. No, just fuck Riot and go to Korea, noone is stopping them, they can just play in second part of spring challenger series if they want to qualify from NA. that's a pretty bad financial decision for both c9, salary wise and with their ability to secure sponsors, OGN for english speaking sponsors is still extreme niche, LCS gets ~200k viewers 2-4 times a week during the season Then stay in NA and rack those checks, I just don't think it should be Riot's decision to let foreign teams invade OGN. Unless OGN does some Invitional in partnership with Riot as an extension of the tournament circuit (Regional leagues -> World -> Super-League in KR). Can't they really take small cut from sponsor's salary when they can still earn money from streaming or vlogs and shit... and actually compete in a good league where every match will be a challenge? if they can't make enough money to not have jobs on the side, playing in OGN won't make them any better, and the reality is the probly can't it's not like a moving to OGN won't let them drive Escalades argument But going to Korea worked out so great for CLG, C9 should be able to do the same! worked out well for clg.eu, and tbf clg did pretty good. iirc both times they were knocked out of playoffs in ro8 was by the team that ended up winning the tournament. clg got screwed mostly by own3d, not their trip to korea. It was ok for CLG.Prime, if they didn't go there in Summer and let only CLG.eu to go in Summer. This + own3d shit killed CLG for 1,5 years. POOR COP CLG CLG CLG http://lol.gamepedia.com/Azubu_The_Champions_Summer_2012
It's not about results, they sacrificed too much for this second Ro8 in a row.
And, you know, after CLG.eu got second, i wasn't so sure that Ro8 is ok result.
On May 24 2014 05:20 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:18 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:16 Sleight wrote:On May 24 2014 05:13 Redox wrote:On May 24 2014 05:12 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:09 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:05 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:02 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
C9 should really lead the charge trying to Riot to fix their schedule in 2015. They are seriously capped if they continue to play only NA. No, just fuck Riot and go to Korea, noone is stopping them, they can just play in second part of spring challenger series if they want to qualify from NA. that's a pretty bad financial decision for both c9, salary wise and with their ability to secure sponsors, OGN for english speaking sponsors is still extreme niche, LCS gets ~200k viewers 2-4 times a week during the season Then stay in NA and rack those checks, I just don't think it should be Riot's decision to let foreign teams invade OGN. Unless OGN does some Invitional in partnership with Riot as an extension of the tournament circuit (Regional leagues -> World -> Super-League in KR). Can't they really take small cut from sponsor's salary when they can still earn money from streaming or vlogs and shit... and actually compete in a good league where every match will be a challenge? if they can't make enough money to not have jobs on the side, playing in OGN won't make them any better, and the reality is the probly can't it's not like a moving to OGN won't let them drive Escalades argument But going to Korea worked out so great for CLG, C9 should be able to do the same! That CLG was naive and way worse by comparison. C9's problem is that they need to improve as individuals to supplement great teamwork. CLG didn't have any amount of teamwork to begin with. Korea is the only way I see Hai, Sneaky, and Lemon getting pushed hard enough to max out. Balls and Meteos seem to steadily improve mechanically. He was being sarcastic, CLG's trip to Korea costed them roughly 75% of TSM's fanbase, CLG was 'the' team before they left, and TSM has been ever since I'd argue CLG not streaming on Twitch is what cost them most fans.
Hotshot and Kelby knew that Azubu > Twitch forever.
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On May 24 2014 05:20 Jatt said:
Rush Hour is the best bot lane. Commence the internet shitstorm.
Thanks, Jatt.
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Spring split's promised top lane bonjovi vs summer split's promised top lane bonjovi. GET HYPE
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On May 24 2014 05:16 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:13 Redox wrote:On May 24 2014 05:12 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:09 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:05 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:02 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
C9 should really lead the charge trying to Riot to fix their schedule in 2015. They are seriously capped if they continue to play only NA. No, just fuck Riot and go to Korea, noone is stopping them, they can just play in second part of spring challenger series if they want to qualify from NA. that's a pretty bad financial decision for both c9, salary wise and with their ability to secure sponsors, OGN for english speaking sponsors is still extreme niche, LCS gets ~200k viewers 2-4 times a week during the season Then stay in NA and rack those checks, I just don't think it should be Riot's decision to let foreign teams invade OGN. Unless OGN does some Invitional in partnership with Riot as an extension of the tournament circuit (Regional leagues -> World -> Super-League in KR). Can't they really take small cut from sponsor's salary when they can still earn money from streaming or vlogs and shit... and actually compete in a good league where every match will be a challenge? if they can't make enough money to not have jobs on the side, playing in OGN won't make them any better, and the reality is the probly can't it's not like a moving to OGN won't let them drive Escalades argument But going to Korea worked out so great for CLG, C9 should be able to do the same! That CLG was naive and way worse by comparison. C9's problem is that they need to improve as individuals to supplement great teamwork. CLG didn't have any amount of teamwork to begin with. Korea is the only way I see Hai, Sneaky, and Lemon getting pushed hard enough to max out. Balls and Meteos seem to steadily improve mechanically.
Agree. CLG seemed to have no motivation to get better because they felt that they were better than the rest of their competition back then. They came back, and still weren't able to beat TSM properly. Although they did learn new strategies(fast pushing or something if i recall correctly), they couldn't really do so well against TSM. Their organization was also not good enough to take advantage of playing in Korea/living in Korea. Also, let's not forget that they had SaintVicious, Chauster, and HotshotGG in the roster back then. They had team problems even before they could take living in Korea seriously. I think it helped Doublelift take League seriously, but I don't know if it helped anyone else in the team.
If CLG went as they are now, they definitely could make it work. If C9 went now, they could definitely make it work.
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Why not link the Azubu stream in the OP? It is smooth for a lot of people, myself included.
http://beta.azubu.tv/Riot_Games#!/play/2731/lcs-2014-na-summer-w1d1-superweek
C9 looking sharp in that first game. Waiting to see CLG pull out the win against Curse in this next game. HYPE!
On May 24 2014 05:24 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:16 Sleight wrote:On May 24 2014 05:13 Redox wrote:On May 24 2014 05:12 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:09 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:05 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:02 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
C9 should really lead the charge trying to Riot to fix their schedule in 2015. They are seriously capped if they continue to play only NA. No, just fuck Riot and go to Korea, noone is stopping them, they can just play in second part of spring challenger series if they want to qualify from NA. that's a pretty bad financial decision for both c9, salary wise and with their ability to secure sponsors, OGN for english speaking sponsors is still extreme niche, LCS gets ~200k viewers 2-4 times a week during the season Then stay in NA and rack those checks, I just don't think it should be Riot's decision to let foreign teams invade OGN. Unless OGN does some Invitional in partnership with Riot as an extension of the tournament circuit (Regional leagues -> World -> Super-League in KR). Can't they really take small cut from sponsor's salary when they can still earn money from streaming or vlogs and shit... and actually compete in a good league where every match will be a challenge? if they can't make enough money to not have jobs on the side, playing in OGN won't make them any better, and the reality is the probly can't it's not like a moving to OGN won't let them drive Escalades argument But going to Korea worked out so great for CLG, C9 should be able to do the same! That CLG was naive and way worse by comparison. C9's problem is that they need to improve as individuals to supplement great teamwork. CLG didn't have any amount of teamwork to begin with. Korea is the only way I see Hai, Sneaky, and Lemon getting pushed hard enough to max out. Balls and Meteos seem to steadily improve mechanically. Agree. CLG seemed to have no motivation to get better because they felt that they were better than the rest of their competition back then. They came back, and still weren't able to beat TSM properly. Although they did learn new strategies(fast pushing or something if i recall correctly), they couldn't really do so well against TSM. Their organization was also not good enough to take advantage of playing in Korea/living in Korea. Also, let's not forget that they had SaintVicious, Chauster, and HotshotGG in the roster back then. They had team problems even before they could take living in Korea seriously. I think it helped Doublelift take League seriously, but I don't know if it helped anyone else in the team. If CLG went as they are now, they definitely could make it work. If C9 went now, they could definitely make it work.
I agree with the Korea comment. I feel that both teams would greatly benefit from the immersion to that level of competition. If either/both go, they will definitely come back to NA miles ahead of when they left off. I hope Riot ends up allowing some sort of exchange program in the future.
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On May 24 2014 05:22 Sleight wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:20 Jatt said:
Rush Hour is the best bot lane. Commence the internet shitstorm. Thanks, Jatt.
Only Sneaky/Lemon and Turtle/Xpecial can challenge that assertion. It's not really that bold anymore.
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On May 24 2014 05:19 AlterKot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:13 Redox wrote:
But going to Korea worked out so great for CLG, C9 should be able to do the same! It was a different time. I just think the whole "Riot doesn't make things comfortable for us and doesn't let us participate in the best league in offseason :/" just proves that these teams either aren't sure that participating in OGN/NLB would help them improve, or they actually don't care about improving as much as about money/fame/comfort. It's all fine though, I don't hate, but I'm sorta annoyed that Riot is the bad guy because all these teams would foshizzle participate in OGN and improve if it weren't for Rito :p
Because they're playing a video game that they likely wont be on top of for more than a couple of years more. They need to make bank while they can. Going to practice to be better would be fantastic, but it would also cost them a bunch of money for only a chance of making more money in the future. Their choice becomes obvious and anybody who says otherwise is simply some blind idealist who thinks that professional gamers don't care about money or something.
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Shot at guards searching for the wuwuzela, down with the man long live horn hero.
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On May 24 2014 05:20 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 05:18 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:16 Sleight wrote:On May 24 2014 05:13 Redox wrote:On May 24 2014 05:12 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:09 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:05 Slusher wrote:On May 24 2014 05:02 AlterKot wrote:On May 24 2014 05:00 NeoIllusions wrote:
C9 should really lead the charge trying to Riot to fix their schedule in 2015. They are seriously capped if they continue to play only NA. No, just fuck Riot and go to Korea, noone is stopping them, they can just play in second part of spring challenger series if they want to qualify from NA. that's a pretty bad financial decision for both c9, salary wise and with their ability to secure sponsors, OGN for english speaking sponsors is still extreme niche, LCS gets ~200k viewers 2-4 times a week during the season Then stay in NA and rack those checks, I just don't think it should be Riot's decision to let foreign teams invade OGN. Unless OGN does some Invitional in partnership with Riot as an extension of the tournament circuit (Regional leagues -> World -> Super-League in KR). Can't they really take small cut from sponsor's salary when they can still earn money from streaming or vlogs and shit... and actually compete in a good league where every match will be a challenge? if they can't make enough money to not have jobs on the side, playing in OGN won't make them any better, and the reality is the probly can't it's not like a moving to OGN won't let them drive Escalades argument But going to Korea worked out so great for CLG, C9 should be able to do the same! That CLG was naive and way worse by comparison. C9's problem is that they need to improve as individuals to supplement great teamwork. CLG didn't have any amount of teamwork to begin with. Korea is the only way I see Hai, Sneaky, and Lemon getting pushed hard enough to max out. Balls and Meteos seem to steadily improve mechanically. He was being sarcastic, CLG's trip to Korea costed them roughly 75% of TSM's fanbase, CLG was 'the' team before they left, and TSM has been ever since I'd argue CLG not streaming on Twitch is what cost them most fans.
Yeah that was also huge.
Cant believe that after this example some teams are still so stupid to leave Twitch. Even if you get twices as much money for streaming on Azubu it is not worth it. Because streamign is the primary way how you retain your fan base. And long term your fan base is the most important thing for the financial success of a team.
Btw I am saying that as someone who likes and watches Azubu.
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I honestly expect CLG to crush all opposition this split.
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"soraka regional differences" aka NA is bad
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EPT
