EPT(shit even as a M5 fanboy I had doubts if they'd come out strong after bootcamping or if they just aren't that good anymore. Forgive me Diamondgodx)
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
(shit even as a M5 fanboy I had doubts if they'd come out strong after bootcamping or if they just aren't that good anymore. Forgive me Diamondgodx) | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:23 AsnSensation wrote: so can we conclude that Gambit bootcamping indeed makes a huge difference and the thousands of km they travel every week affected them. (shit even as a M5 fanboy I had doubts if they'd come out strong after bootcamping or if they just aren't that good anymore. Forgive me Diamondgodx) They were the same s2.Dunno why people are surprised.They always lost a lot in online. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:28 nafta wrote: They were the same s2.Dunno why people are surprised.They always lost a lot in online. I think it's because people aren't used to Russians. They are monsters at BoX when their backs are against the wall. LCS format doesn't really do them any favours. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
LD, 1st GG, 2nd 3-7 REST "these matches will decide it": Fnatic vs. MYM NiP vs. ATN EG vs. ATN EG win = EG playoffspot NiP vs. SK SK win = 14-14, Fnatic vs. Gambit SK needs to win to have a tie. Fnatic needs to win one of two to have a tie. EG win = guarantee spot @ play offs otherwise possible tie. ATN needs to win one of two to have a tie. NiP needs to win one of two to have a tie. MYM 8th | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:43 ExoFun wrote: Does somebody have a list with tomorrow matches and possible outcomes? There is still a chance for a 5 way tie right? LD, 1st GG, 2nd 3-7 REST "these matches will decide it": Fnatic vs. MYM NiP vs. ATN EG vs. ATN EG win = EG playoffspot NiP vs. SK SK win = 14-14, Fnatic vs. Gambit SK needs to win to have a tie. Fnatic needs to win one of two to have a tie. EG win = guarantee spot @ play offs otherwise possible tie. ATN needs to win one of two to have a tie. NiP needs to win one of two to have a tie. MYM 8th If Fnatic wins vs GG and EG wins vs ATN, then it is EG 2nd due to the head to head vs GG being 3-1 in their favor. Go EG #Believe Edit: Aldo, is fnatic wins both, its is a 3way tie for second Fnatic eg and GG, and EG winds head to head againt both!!! EG!!!!! | ||
Flicky
England2669 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:31 Numy wrote: I think it's because people aren't used to Russians. They are monsters at BoX when their backs are against the wall. LCS format doesn't really do them any favours. I'm starting to wonder if the weekly league format is bad for improvement for teams. Of course it should bring the teams up on a general level but it doesn't do much for preparing for a single team in a BoX series which we've seen is a huge thing for players in all competitive games. I'm wondering if a group stage -> bracket like OGN is a better way for improving as a team. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:01 Flicky wrote: I'm starting to wonder if the weekly league format is bad for improvement for teams. Of course it should bring the teams up on a general level but it doesn't do much for preparing for a single team in a BoX series which we've seen is a huge thing for players in all competitive games. I'm wondering if a group stage -> bracket like OGN is a better way for improving as a team. Yea i think the same. The more preparation on a team for a specific team is just better for a team overall than just spamming games for a league. And also the bo1 format is just dull and doesn't have such a big impact as a groupsystem as OGN is using. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:58 Usagi wrote: If Fnatic wins vs GG and EG wins vs ATN, then it is EG 2nd due to the head to head vs GG being 3-1 in their favor. Go EG #Believe Edit: Aldo, is fnatic wins both, its is a 3way tie for second Fnatic eg and GG, and EG winds head to head againt both!!! EG!!!!! The % for each team (thanks to reddit): Lemondogs: Guaranteed 1st Alternate: 2nd: 12,50% (8) - 3rd: 21,88% (14) - Eliminated: 9,38% (6) Fnatic: 2nd: 18,75% (12) - 3rd: 6,25% (4) - Eliminated: 6,25% (4) Evil Geniuses: 2nd: 9,38% (6) - 3rd: 31,25% (20) - Only tiebreakers can get to them. Gambit Gaming: 2nd: 53,13% (34) - 3rd: 21,88% (14) - Cannot be eliminated, bar the mad 5-way tiebreak. SK Gaming: Eliminated: 59,38% (38) - tie with Evil Geniuses at 6th place 28.125% (40) Ninjas in Pyjamas: 2nd: 6,25% (4) - 3rd: 18,75% (12) - Eliminated: 25,00% (16) MeetYourMakers: Guaranteed 8th place. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
The possible tiebrakers: NiP vs aTn: NiP win (14-13) EG vs aTn: aTn win (14-14) / and EG (14-14) SK vs NiP: SK win (14-14) and NiP (14-14) Fnatic win vs MyM and Fnatic loses vs GG: GG 2nd and Fnatic (14-14) And then WHat?!?!?!??! SK vs EG = 2-2 SK vs Fnatic = 3-1 SK vs aTn = 2-2 SK vs NiP = 2-1 (with one more match to play, but 2-2 if its a tiebreaker) EG vs SK = 2-2 EG vs aTn = 0-4 (if its a tie) EG vs NiP = 3-1 EG vs Fnatic = 2-2 Fnatic vs EG= 1-3 Fnatic vs NiP= 1-3 Fnatic vs SK= 1-3 Fnatic vs aTn= 3-1 aTn vs EG = 4-0 aTn vs Fnatic = 1-3 aTn vs SK = 2-2 aTn vs NiP = 2-2 (if 4 way tie) NiP vs SK = 2-2 NiP vs Fnatic = 1-3 NiP vs EG = 3-1 NiP vs aTn = 2-2 (if 4 way tie) Do all the teams get to play round robin or will there be teams that have a GO to playoffs? | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:01 Flicky wrote: I'm starting to wonder if the weekly league format is bad for improvement for teams. Of course it should bring the teams up on a general level but it doesn't do much for preparing for a single team in a BoX series which we've seen is a huge thing for players in all competitive games. I'm wondering if a group stage -> bracket like OGN is a better way for improving as a team. LD have improved just fine. Gambits problem with travel is a unique one. A problem that no OGN team has in the first place. | ||
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:11 ExoFun wrote: Evil Geniuses: 2nd: 9,38% (6) - 3rd: 31,25% (20) - Only tiebreakers can get to them. The possible tiebrakers: NiP vs aTn: NiP win (14-13) EG vs aTn: aTn win (14-14) / and EG (14-14) SK vs NiP: SK win (14-14) and NiP (14-14) Fnatic win vs MyM and Fnatic loses vs GG: GG 2nd and Fnatic (14-14) + Show Spoiler + And then WHat?!?!?!??! SK vs EG = 2-2 SK vs Fnatic = 3-1 SK vs aTn = 2-2 SK vs NiP = 2-1 (with one more match to play, but 2-2 if its a tiebreaker) EG vs SK = 2-2 EG vs aTn = 0-4 (if its a tie) EG vs NiP = 3-1 EG vs Fnatic = 2-2 Fnatic vs EG= 1-3 Fnatic vs NiP= 1-3 Fnatic vs SK= 1-3 Fnatic vs aTn= 3-1 aTn vs EG = 4-0 aTn vs Fnatic = 1-3 aTn vs SK = 2-2 aTn vs NiP = 2-2 (if 4 way tie) NiP vs SK = 2-2 NiP vs Fnatic = 1-3 NiP vs EG = 3-1 NiP vs aTn = 2-2 (if 4 way tie) Do all the teams get to play round robin or will there be teams that have a GO to playoffs? nvm if 3 or more teams have a tie there will be a round robin: If three or more teams are tied, the teams will play full round-robins (involving best-of-one matches) until the determination of a hierarchical non-tied result is made. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 17 2013 04:01 Flicky wrote: I'm starting to wonder if the weekly league format is bad for improvement for teams. Of course it should bring the teams up on a general level but it doesn't do much for preparing for a single team in a BoX series which we've seen is a huge thing for players in all competitive games. I'm wondering if a group stage -> bracket like OGN is a better way for improving as a team. I think it would be more enjoyable having Bo2 games each night. So you have less teams playing but at least have a similar structure to box. This also means teams can have more by weeks to prep. Really dislike the Bo1 they doing currently. | ||
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sataNik[pG]
Greece722 Posts
On August 17 2013 03:43 AsnSensation wrote: So has anyone solved the mystery of the botlane minionpush which allowed genja to freeze it and completely fuck over Kevin? Due to uneven damage contribution between minions, more often than not minions from one side are focused hard and die fast, while from the other side the damage is spread and they live more, snowballing the minion war. It is really easy to freeze a lane in such an instance, by last-hitting at last possible second, or even not last-hitting at all untill the enemy minions are clearly stronger or until you realise that its impossible to freeze because your minions are winning. I gurantee that this is 100% accurate information but any disbeliever can just create custom 1v1s and observe the sidelanes. FSB | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 17 2013 05:03 sataNik[pG] wrote: Due to uneven damage contribution between minions, more often than not minions from one side are focused hard and die fast, while from the other side the damage is spread and they live more, snowballing the minion war. It is really easy to freeze a lane in such an instance, by last-hitting at last possible second, or even not last-hitting at all untill the enemy minions are clearly stronger or until you realise that its impossible to freeze because your minions are winning. I gurantee that this is 100% accurate information but any disbeliever can just create custom 1v1s and observe the sidelanes. FSB Yup. Like the first minute the duo spent at the enemy blue. As genja returned, he noticed the enemy wave was pushing so he froze it. Pretty nice luck. | ||
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skykh
3006 Posts
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agentx3
United States64 Posts
Double AD comps are pretty bad in 3.10, the people mentioning that it is common in Korea have to realize they are on 3.9 and I think teams are not playing optimally versus it either. The reason double ad comps are not good is because the window you have to make things happen before being outscaled already puts you in a vulnerable position that good teams can exploit. Look forward to the MYM vs LD game. Nothing on the line for either team and the result doesn't effect any other teams. Something fun is coming! | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
they'd have to lose vs MYM first though which is probably not gonna happen. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On August 17 2013 07:16 skykh wrote: So week 8 and week 9 combined still less then half of na thread. EU always has been more about action instead of talking  | ||
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Mikau
Netherlands1446 Posts
On August 17 2013 20:06 agentx3 wrote: Nuke just wanted to play Ezreal and the bans etc. weren't focused. If the match was for something, on LD side, draft phase would've been a lot different. Regardless, they still tried to not lose with a unique/non-optimal comp + draft. Double AD comps are pretty bad in 3.10, the people mentioning that it is common in Korea have to realize they are on 3.9 and I think teams are not playing optimally versus it either. The reason double ad comps are not good is because the window you have to make things happen before being outscaled already puts you in a vulnerable position that good teams can exploit. Look forward to the MYM vs LD game. Nothing on the line for either team and the result doesn't effect any other teams. Something fun is coming! Wait don't double AD comps scale better into the late game? Nothing scales better than an ADC (sorry, marksman) right? | ||
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