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dig tf ban, probably not targeted at jintae
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On April 27 2013 08:07 Fionn wrote:
Dignitas banning TF from scarra. Good move.
I agree, very smart move. They definitely learned a lot from their last game.
Also, they are clearly hoping for a blitz pick. Scarra homes in on grabs and with Karthus that's going to backfire on them.
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GGU aim to late game here. Trist and Ryze late game is just wow. If Dig can close this game within 30mins or gain a major adv at 20mins they are out.
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The return of the support Yorick!
Loved it last time. Ryze killing everyone, dying...and then coming back to kill everyone was awesome.
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On April 27 2013 08:08 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:06 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:
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The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him. Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play. lol u srs? I hope you're being sarcastic or something. Jiji took himself off the team citing lack of confidence in his own play. Not to mention that Link performed much better than Jiji. HotshotGG definitely isn't a Tier 1 player, but he's not the root of all CLG problems.
Uh, I don't want to argue, but look at his reasoning again. He cites that his team lost faith in him, and so he played worse due to that as well. In other words, his team blamed him quite a lot(scapegoat), and he started playing worse due to it. It's a negative atmosphere 100%.
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The Yorick Tristana lane again, well the previous time it worked fine!
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This reminds me of the comp vs CLG. Let's see if the outcome will be the same.
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On April 27 2013 08:07 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:06 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:
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The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him. Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play. He also has improved. Again I've watched his stream alot and I seriously wouldn't call him a superpassive player anymore. Maybe CLGs playstyle didn't suit him but as a midplayer I'd take him over like 75% of LCS mids.
they dont make plays around link aswell, right? its just focus on getting doublelift fed and sometimes countergank toplane or hotshotgg will die to any dive. i think it's nearly impossible to shine as CLG's midlane. you better start playing passive
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On April 27 2013 08:06 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:43 Numy wrote:
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Mancloud man Mancloud. The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him. Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play.
I love jiji. As a CLG I just don't enjoy them as much anymore without jiji. I mean, they're still my team but jiji was my favorite player after locodoco left the scene for such a long stretch of time. jiji being benched was definitely justified. Even if part of the problem was that both jiji and Hotshot have weaker lane phases.
jiji lost lane every game against any decent mids. It's really hard for a team to win if one of their lanes is automatically going to lose every game and the other lane (Hotshots) can at best go even. The amount of out playing your team has to do is completely insane.
And this wasn't something that was out of the blue, jiji had been losing lanes most of S2. And even before S3 started games were being ended sooner, teams were grouping faster, you didn't have long lane phases that ensured everyone got farmed. jiji was a late game mid lane player who was now having to play a game that had evolved into early grouping and early fighting. He failed to adapt for over a year and there was no real excuse for it.
Honestly they probably could've done well to replace jiji and Hotshot. They probably could've found a better mid than LiNk. But I don't think CLG would've done better than 4th place with jiji this season. I don't think CLG could've kept jiji if they wanted to become a top team in S3 (and they have a long way to go if they want to be a top team, even in NA, this season).
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On April 27 2013 08:08 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:06 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:
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The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him. Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play. lol u srs? I hope you're being sarcastic or something. Jiji took himself off the team citing lack of confidence in his own play. Not to mention that Link performed much better than Jiji. HotshotGG definitely isn't a Tier 1 player, but he's not the root of all CLG problems. When Jiji left CLG he was reportedly not practicing very much at all and was not good. You guys are all completely misrepresenting how his skill level was relative to other AP players. Jiji's recently been playing a lot better 'cause he's been playing a lot more. But when he left CLG and was replaced with Link was not him being "scapegoated."
Excuse me but Link played far better than Jiji? When Jiji was subbing when Chauster was gone, he was the best player on CLG in every game they played(not counting doublelift).
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Where are the Dig fans, send them your good luck wishes 'cos they really need it to win this game.
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Unless GGU starts losing hard early-mid game, they have a stupidly strong lategame teamcomp.
Im scared for Dig atm.
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On April 27 2013 08:11 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:06 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:
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That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him. Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play. lol u srs? I hope you're being sarcastic or something. Jiji took himself off the team citing lack of confidence in his own play. Not to mention that Link performed much better than Jiji. HotshotGG definitely isn't a Tier 1 player, but he's not the root of all CLG problems. Uh, I don't want to argue, but look at his reasoning again. He cites that his team lost faith in him, and so he played worse due to that as well. In other words, his team blamed him quite a lot(scapegoat), and he started playing worse due to it. It's a negative atmosphere 100%.
Yea he was basically forced into a situation where he either plays with people that don't want to play with him and aren't subtle with it or he leaves. I never said Hotshot is root of CLG problems, they just needed someone to blame and they choose to throw shit on jiji.
No player can really shine on CLG in it's current state anyway. I feel like Link's potential is far greater than what he has been showing but CLG just isn't an environment of growth.
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On April 27 2013 08:11 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:06 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:
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That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him. Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play. lol u srs? I hope you're being sarcastic or something. Jiji took himself off the team citing lack of confidence in his own play. Not to mention that Link performed much better than Jiji. HotshotGG definitely isn't a Tier 1 player, but he's not the root of all CLG problems. When Jiji left CLG he was reportedly not practicing very much at all and was not good. You guys are all completely misrepresenting how his skill level was relative to other AP players. Jiji's recently been playing a lot better 'cause he's been playing a lot more. But when he left CLG and was replaced with Link was not him being "scapegoated." Excuse me but Link played far better than Jiji? When Jiji was subbing when Chauster was gone, he was the best player on CLG in every game they played(not counting doublelift).
Yeah, I dont see where all that Link>jiji come from? For me Link is ok at best, brought nothing that Jiji havent already brought onto CLG.
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well if this goes any longer than 30min CYA Dig, waiting for Mr. Negative Alaric to come in hehe
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wtf is this resolution? 320x240? wtf get this observer a decent computer, god damn it man
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On April 27 2013 08:11 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:08 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:06 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:
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That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him. Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play. lol u srs? I hope you're being sarcastic or something. Jiji took himself off the team citing lack of confidence in his own play. Not to mention that Link performed much better than Jiji. HotshotGG definitely isn't a Tier 1 player, but he's not the root of all CLG problems. Uh, I don't want to argue, but look at his reasoning again. He cites that his team lost faith in him, and so he played worse due to that as well. In other words, his team blamed him quite a lot(scapegoat), and he started playing worse due to it. It's a negative atmosphere 100%.
Look, go back and watch any of CLG's games since the latter half of S2 with Jiji. He had been underperforming for a LONG time. Jiji had also been reported to not been as committed to practice as the rest of CLG. Iirc, Jiji was the holdout when CLG wanted to get and move into a gaming house. He simply wasn't good leading up to when he got removed. When Link replaced Jiji, CLG started doing a bit better. Remember Link's Syndra when he started playing with CLG? Teams even banned out Syndra against CLG for several matches.
Jiji's better now than he used to be, but you all have a serious case of rose tinted glasses if you think Jiji wasn't bad or was being scapegoated when he got left CLG.
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On April 27 2013 08:14 Djin)ftw( wrote:
wtf is this resolution? 320x240? wtf get this observer a decent computer, god damn it man
On this PC I can only play at the minimum resolution with windowed mode and this definitely is higher resolution than that. Isn't it 720p?
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On April 27 2013 08:11 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:06 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:
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The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him. Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play. I love jiji. As a CLG I just don't enjoy them as much anymore without jiji. I mean, they're still my team but jiji was my favorite player after locodoco left the scene for such a long stretch of time. jiji being benched was definitely justified. Even if part of the problem was that both jiji and Hotshot have weaker lane phases. jiji lost lane every game against any decent mids. It's really hard for a team to win if one of their lanes is automatically going to lose every game and the other lane (Hotshots) can at best go even. The amount of out playing your team has to do is completely insane. And this wasn't something that was out of the blue, jiji had been losing lanes most of S2. And even before S3 started games were being ended sooner, teams were grouping faster, you didn't have long lane phases that ensured everyone got farmed. jiji was a late game mid lane player who was now having to play a game that had evolved into early grouping and early fighting. He failed to adapt for over a year and there was no real excuse for it. Honestly they probably could've done well to replace jiji and Hotshot. They probably could've found a better mid than LiNk. But I don't think CLG would've done better than 4th place with jiji this season. I don't think CLG could've kept jiji if they wanted to become a top team in S3 (and they have a long way to go if they want to be a top team, even in NA, this season).
I disagree with your assessment that he lost every one of his mid lanes. I cannot even say he lost a lot of them. He was a pretty good mid lane, but you had negative commentary from people citing him as the source of the problem. It doesn't help when your own team keeps making these types of commentary. I remember Chauster's AMA saying this often. I sincerely do not believe that to be the case. If they actually were a flexible team, CLG would've replaced hotshotgg a long time ago rather than change anything with jiji.
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this seems like a dignitas teamcomp they are comfortable with.
go go boys
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