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On April 27 2013 08:04 Nitan wrote:
If Dig loses again I suspect we're going to see some serious buyer's remorse with scarra in allstars.
His TF play gave plenty already.
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On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:43 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:42 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:35 Gorsameth wrote:
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Yeah im pretty sure Scarra is the worst player on the All Star Team I'd like to pretend there was a better choice, but it's just not true. I feel like the mids in the NA scene will be demolished by almost all other region's mid. EU especially has really strong mid laners. The mid laners in NA are seriously lacking. Don't know what it is. Mancloud man Mancloud. The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1?
If anything, laning ability is even more important now due to how aggressive teams are early on.
Party of the reason why EG had a huge slump at the beginning of S3 was because their entire playstyle revolved around simply surviving laning phase and dominating later w/ stronger teamfights. That doesn't work when teams are pushing towers down before they hit 6 and doing lvl 3 tower dives left and right.
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On April 27 2013 08:04 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:02 AsnSensation wrote:
Btw Fionn I'm really happy that you're already so engaged with the proscene although you relatively started playing recently.
During the good old days of Sc2 LR Thread you made me laugh so much, especially as a polt fan. Thank you. League, with the various leagues and production is miles ahead of WCS and SC2 at the moment, so the e-sports scene in League is more fun to follow at the moment.
You watching OGN in addition to LCS? That's where the real good stuff is.
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On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:43 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:42 ketchup wrote:
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I'd like to pretend there was a better choice, but it's just not true. I feel like the mids in the NA scene will be demolished by almost all other region's mid. EU especially has really strong mid laners. The mid laners in NA are seriously lacking. Don't know what it is. Mancloud man Mancloud. The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him.
Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play.
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On April 27 2013 08:04 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:01 onlywonderboy wrote:
Oh man, if dig get's relegated...I don't even... I don't think NA up & downs are gonna be as close as the EU ones. Do you see Team Summon or No Team Name Necessary taking a single map off an LCS team?
Let's be fair, Team Summon won't even have their full roster because two of their members are too young for LCS.
I think Quantic is the only team that has a shot. Maybe Velocity if they picked up a good mid but I have no idea who they have for mid lane. Will depend a lot on who Quantic plays against.
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Fionn came here because Polt is eliminated in DH.
its obvious isnt it? :3
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I haven't seen a single NA TF player do well at all. Like TF is seriously hard to play well, but honestly...NA can't play TF for shit.
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On April 27 2013 08:04 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:02 AsnSensation wrote:
Btw Fionn I'm really happy that you're already so engaged with the proscene although you relatively started playing recently.
During the good old days of Sc2 LR Thread you made me laugh so much, especially as a polt fan. Thank you. League, with the various leagues and production is miles ahead of WCS and SC2 at the moment, so the e-sports scene in League is more fun to follow at the moment.
After Bisu failing in the qualifier again and again, I started to play lol.
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On April 27 2013 08:05 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:04 Fionn wrote:On April 27 2013 08:02 AsnSensation wrote:
Btw Fionn I'm really happy that you're already so engaged with the proscene although you relatively started playing recently.
During the good old days of Sc2 LR Thread you made me laugh so much, especially as a polt fan. Thank you. League, with the various leagues and production is miles ahead of WCS and SC2 at the moment, so the e-sports scene in League is more fun to follow at the moment. You watching OGN in addition to LCS? That's where the real good stuff is.
Yeah, CJ Blaze is muh team.
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actually kiwikid wasn't doing bad
crumbz and scarra though ... not great
and it was kind of a race who would do less damage, "pokebuild ezreal when you have karthus" or "tank sin" or "i pull red and die to riven aoe tf"
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On April 27 2013 08:06 Ryuu314 wrote:
I haven't seen a single NA TF player do well at all. Like TF is seriously hard to play well, but honestly...NA can't play TF for shit.
ecco and ehomda are the only two TFs that impress me.
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Now GGU got the BLUE site. I am worried for Dig...oh well.
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Prolly second most handsome after Kobe. Heard it here first.
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On April 27 2013 08:06 Mensol wrote:
Fionn came here because Polt is eliminated in DH.
its obvious isnt it? :3
Yeah, DH is dead to me now.
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On April 27 2013 08:06 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:43 Numy wrote:
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Mancloud man Mancloud. The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him. Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play.
He also has improved. Again I've watched his stream alot and I seriously wouldn't call him a superpassive player anymore. Maybe CLGs playstyle didn't suit him but as a midplayer I'd take him over like 75% of LCS mids.
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Dignitas banning TF from scarra. Good move.
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LOL Dig bans TF for scarra
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On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:43 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:42 ketchup wrote:
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I'd like to pretend there was a better choice, but it's just not true. I feel like the mids in the NA scene will be demolished by almost all other region's mid. EU especially has really strong mid laners. The mid laners in NA are seriously lacking. Don't know what it is. Mancloud man Mancloud. The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him.
Scuse me???? are we talking about the same player here? CLG replaved him coz they are retarded and have to find scape goats for how shit they are end of story, even recently when he replaced chauster, he was clearly the best player despite lack of practice.
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On April 27 2013 08:02 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:43 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:42 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:35 Gorsameth wrote:
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Yeah im pretty sure Scarra is the worst player on the All Star Team I'd like to pretend there was a better choice, but it's just not true. I feel like the mids in the NA scene will be demolished by almost all other region's mid. EU especially has really strong mid laners. The mid laners in NA are seriously lacking. Don't know what it is. Mancloud man Mancloud. The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Well when I've seen him stream I actually have found him to be quite impressive. Better than most NA mids. Same with Pobelter although Pobelter makes some plays that make Reginald seem like a passive player.
I recall saying something similar in the general discussion thread a few weeks back. When watching jiji's stream, he looks really impressive. I also mentioned that he doesn't seem to play with music during tournament games(and if it was even possible to play with music during these games), so I think there's a factor there involved. Can't be king without that music/whistling. As in, his online tournaments/games are much better than his LAN play.
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On April 27 2013 08:06 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 08:03 Amethyst21 wrote:On April 27 2013 08:01 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 08:00 Ryuu314 wrote:On April 27 2013 07:58 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:55 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:54 Numy wrote:On April 27 2013 07:52 Redox wrote:On April 27 2013 07:49 ketchup wrote:On April 27 2013 07:43 Numy wrote:
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Mancloud man Mancloud. The vast majority of players in the NA region have a huge problem with consistency. There are few exceptions, but they do not apply to mid lane. The NA midlaners have a huge problem with their champion picks especially. Mancloud is also not an exception to this. Just look at how scarra and Regi do on TF, and this is WHILE picking the TF. That implies they are comfortable enough on it to pick it in the first place. That's just ridiculous. That most NA pros voted Reginald as best mid NA already says everything about the level of NA mids. Jiji prob still better than most NA mids though including Scarra :< Speaking of, I do miss seeing that mid lane. Passive, but he made some of the most amazing plays. Also he actually knew how to play TF. Yea Jiji's laning might not have been amazing but his post laning was just amazing. So was his teamfighting. Really surprised no team tried to pick him up by now. jiji's currently on azure cats, an amateur team. honestly, I don't think jiji is really all that great anymore. Just being good at teamfighting doesn't cut it. Isn't that more important than laning these days when lanes are over so quickly and not always 1v1? His laning is behind any of the mids currently in NA and while his teamfighting is generally very good its a very exploitable weakness. I mean I know Jiji is a legend but lets knot go crazy - there is a reason CLG replaced him. Come now quite sure everyone agrees that they replaced him because they needed a scapegoat that wasn't HotshotGG and he was the one they picked on the most even if things weren't his problem. I agree he wasn't performing well and had weaknesses but his being benched from CLG weren't influenced by real play.
lol u srs? I hope you're being sarcastic or something. Jiji took himself off the team citing lack of confidence in his own play. Not to mention that Link performed much better than Jiji. HotshotGG definitely isn't a Tier 1 player, but he's not the root of all CLG problems.
When Jiji left CLG he was reportedly not practicing very much at all and was not good. You guys are all completely misrepresenting how his skill level was relative to other AP players. Jiji's recently been playing a lot better 'cause he's been playing a lot more. But when he left CLG and was replaced with Link was not him being "scapegoated."
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