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Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 19:22:49
January 18 2013 19:21 GMT
#661
Yeah as bad as the system is, the teams should have known how it was. Gambit clearly set up for a early team knowing that was the only way they could have advanced. MYM could have went for a turtle team.

I mean if they win that they're in, but the only way they aren't in is if Curse wins Azubu or they lose as quickly as they did.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
January 18 2013 19:21 GMT
#662
On January 19 2013 04:18 La1 wrote:
Everybody is moaning but to be honest all MYM had to do was NOT lose to m5 inside 30 min.. turns out they couldn't do that..

even though m5 basically threw the first game they deserved it on the 3rd games performance.



Technically the first game against Blaze didn't matter since it wasn't used in the tie-break calculation. Only games between the tied teams are counted. Gambit really got off lucky.
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Imbu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States903 Posts
January 18 2013 19:21 GMT
#663
CLG.eu is so lucky that they never end up in tie breakers. They would never get out.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
January 18 2013 19:23 GMT
#664
lmao wasn't it already discovered through DotA tournaments that time-based tie-breakers are the dumbest thing ever?
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OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 18 2013 19:24 GMT
#665
On January 19 2013 04:21 JBright wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 04:18 La1 wrote:
Everybody is moaning but to be honest all MYM had to do was NOT lose to m5 inside 30 min.. turns out they couldn't do that..

even though m5 basically threw the first game they deserved it on the 3rd games performance.



Technically the first game against Blaze didn't matter since it wasn't used in the tie-break calculation. Only games between the tied teams are counted. Gambit really got off lucky.

You can call them lucky all you want, but the fact of the matter is that they won the games that mattered. They didn't decide how the tournament would be run, but they did succeed. That's all that matters. How close it was is irrelevant.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
January 18 2013 19:27 GMT
#666
On January 19 2013 04:23 Live2Win wrote:
lmao wasn't it already discovered through DotA tournaments that time-based tie-breakers are the dumbest thing ever?

Maybe league is destined to repeat Dota's history. Soon the Chinese overlords will come to rule all or have they already come?
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
January 18 2013 19:44 GMT
#667
On January 19 2013 04:21 Imbu wrote:
CLG.eu is so lucky that they never end up in tie breakers. They would never get out.


Tsm is even more lucky, they always get the easiest bracket and still manage to lose.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 18 2013 20:10 GMT
#668
On January 19 2013 04:04 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 03:59 TheYango wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:58 GTR wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:57 TheYango wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:55 Lysanias wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:53 LaNague wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:50 TheYango wrote:
Also, I'd point out that in MYM vs Curse, Curse vs Gambit, and Gambit vs MYM, Blue team won all 3 games.

It's getting to the point where in games between "close" teams, Blue/Purple imbalance seems a bit too relevant.


they should seperate first pick and blue side and see where that leads to.


No they should always go for a Bo2 instead of Bo1's. As many have said it's alot more fair and easy to balance points out.

It doesn't fix the problem as it applies to map imbalance in Bo3s/Bo5s--the team that gets to have Blue side an extra time gets an advantage.


... which is why blind pick for the last set is ingenious.

I don't think that solves the issue either, though it lessens it if you believe that 1st pick has a significant draft advantage.

If you think the draft advantage is significant in relation to the map advantage, then it should be purple team that gets 1st ban/1st pick.

Or one team picks drafting order and the other picks side of field. No reason that you have to hard-link drafting order to side of field.

That's probably the better long-run solution, but in the short term, it's easier to hard link draft/map advantage because the client doesn't have an interface that supports disjointing the two in Tournament Draft games, and who knows if Riot is able or willing to devote development time to a more serious overhaul of the client interface to allow for that.
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 20:18:27
January 18 2013 20:16 GMT
#669
edit: nvm, it doesn't work
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
January 18 2013 20:23 GMT
#670
On January 19 2013 04:23 Live2Win wrote:
lmao wasn't it already discovered through DotA tournaments that time-based tie-breakers are the dumbest thing ever?

In fact, the same "controversy" happened during season 1 already. IEM never bothered to think of another tie-breaker system.
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9144 Posts
January 18 2013 20:57 GMT
#671
On January 19 2013 05:23 DragoonTT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 04:23 Live2Win wrote:
lmao wasn't it already discovered through DotA tournaments that time-based tie-breakers are the dumbest thing ever?

In fact, the same "controversy" happened during season 1 already. IEM never bothered to think of another tie-breaker system.

Ah, iG Whitezz Annie.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14056 Posts
January 18 2013 22:22 GMT
#672
Lol at the stream cutting off of a game to go back in time like 10 minutes.
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Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
January 18 2013 22:25 GMT
#673
It's the dreadlocks and duffes show! How much armor do you get with malphite if you W with with cloth armor? In polsky?
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MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
January 18 2013 22:25 GMT
#674
Definitely feel like Curse and MYM were robbed of an opportunity but even as a big Curse fan I can at least say the best team made it out
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 18 2013 23:14 GMT
#675
On January 19 2013 07:25 MattBarry wrote:
Definitely feel like Curse and MYM were robbed of an opportunity but even as a big Curse fan I can at least say the best team made it out


Really?

I think M5 played really sloppy. MYM deserves the spot as much as M5 does imo.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 19 2013 00:14 GMT
#676
The curse vs. M5/GG game with olaf mid was really bizarre. Such bad execution by the entire team except Alex Ich.
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Norada
Profile Joined August 2010
China482 Posts
January 19 2013 01:26 GMT
#677
i remember how they used to deal with the 3 way ties in bw, the 3 players face each other and whatever player wins two in a row(beating both teams) moves on; go until it's done~

such a downer and a black spot on a tournament i had such hype for t.t
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 19 2013 01:42 GMT
#678
On January 19 2013 08:14 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 07:25 MattBarry wrote:
Definitely feel like Curse and MYM were robbed of an opportunity but even as a big Curse fan I can at least say the best team made it out


Really?

I think M5 played really sloppy. MYM deserves the spot as much as M5 does imo.

M5 deserves it because they got it.
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 19 2013 02:08 GMT
#679
Wow MYM vs GBG neither team uses any AP champions. Most AP non-support on the board is Shen.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
January 19 2013 03:07 GMT
#680
I see a lot of bitching about the tiebreaker system but not a lot of suggestions for fixing it. Given that this is a situation that's going to occur frequently with the Bo1 round robin-style events, and that having the three "tied" teams play another round of games is not an option (too time consuming, etc.), what would a "better" tie breaker be? Surely not K/D/A. In such a case, teams would have an incentive to not end games but instead try to rack up kills.

For all of its faults, at least game time is linked purely with winning. There's nothing else that's a factor besides how quickly you won. It incentives teams to not dick around by rather end the game at the earliest possible moment, which is what we should want them to do.

So unless you have a better suggestion that is realistic, try to keep your complaints to a simple, "That sucks for MYM/Crs. :-("
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