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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 18 2013 18:55 GMT
#621
On January 19 2013 03:54 TheYango wrote:
Actually if Curse beats Blaze, Blue team will have had a 100% winrate in this group.

This tendency is really worrying.
Off-season = best season
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
January 18 2013 18:55 GMT
#622
On January 19 2013 03:54 Sufficiency wrote:
The system used in MSL was the best. It was essentially a double elimination group stage.

Riot NA Qualis had this setup as well. But honestly, any format that doesn't include time is automatically better than what they're using for IEM right now.
God Bless
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
January 18 2013 18:56 GMT
#623
Well curse just lost.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 18 2013 18:56 GMT
#624
On January 19 2013 03:55 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 03:53 LaNague wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:50 TheYango wrote:
Also, I'd point out that in MYM vs Curse, Curse vs Gambit, and Gambit vs MYM, Blue team won all 3 games.

It's getting to the point where in games between "close" teams, Blue/Purple imbalance seems a bit too relevant.


they should seperate first pick and blue side and see where that leads to.


No they should always go for a Bo2 instead of Bo1's. As many have said it's alot more fair and easy to balance points out.


yes, but that fixes only symptoms.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
January 18 2013 18:57 GMT
#625
On January 19 2013 03:55 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 03:53 LaNague wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:50 TheYango wrote:
Also, I'd point out that in MYM vs Curse, Curse vs Gambit, and Gambit vs MYM, Blue team won all 3 games.

It's getting to the point where in games between "close" teams, Blue/Purple imbalance seems a bit too relevant.


they should seperate first pick and blue side and see where that leads to.


No they should always go for a Bo2 instead of Bo1's. As many have said it's alot more fair and easy to balance points out.

It doesn't fix the problem as it applies to map imbalance in Bo3s/Bo5s--the team that gets to have Blue side an extra time gets an advantage.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 18:59:05
January 18 2013 18:58 GMT
#626
On January 19 2013 03:57 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 03:55 Lysanias wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:53 LaNague wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:50 TheYango wrote:
Also, I'd point out that in MYM vs Curse, Curse vs Gambit, and Gambit vs MYM, Blue team won all 3 games.

It's getting to the point where in games between "close" teams, Blue/Purple imbalance seems a bit too relevant.


they should seperate first pick and blue side and see where that leads to.


No they should always go for a Bo2 instead of Bo1's. As many have said it's alot more fair and easy to balance points out.

It doesn't fix the problem as it applies to map imbalance in Bo3s/Bo5s--the team that gets to have Blue side an extra time gets an advantage.


... which is why blind pick for the last set is ingenious.

How are the sides determined at IEM for the RR? Coin flip?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 19:00:02
January 18 2013 18:59 GMT
#627
On January 19 2013 03:58 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 03:57 TheYango wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:55 Lysanias wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:53 LaNague wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:50 TheYango wrote:
Also, I'd point out that in MYM vs Curse, Curse vs Gambit, and Gambit vs MYM, Blue team won all 3 games.

It's getting to the point where in games between "close" teams, Blue/Purple imbalance seems a bit too relevant.


they should seperate first pick and blue side and see where that leads to.


No they should always go for a Bo2 instead of Bo1's. As many have said it's alot more fair and easy to balance points out.

It doesn't fix the problem as it applies to map imbalance in Bo3s/Bo5s--the team that gets to have Blue side an extra time gets an advantage.


... which is why blind pick for the last set is ingenious.

I don't think that solves the issue either, though it lessens it if you believe that 1st pick has a significant draft advantage.

If you think the draft advantage is significant in relation to the map advantage, then it should be purple team that gets 1st ban/1st pick.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51576 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 19:01:06
January 18 2013 19:00 GMT
#628
Just in general though, the draft system needs a re-haul, as the pick/ban phase is just respect bans/OP heros 99% of the time. Stealing Dota's drafting system is a start.

But this is going off-topic so I'll leave it there.
Commentator
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 18 2013 19:01 GMT
#629
thats how they used to do it in go4lol which i didnt mind, but i think 2nd pick is probably as good if not better in most cases.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
January 18 2013 19:01 GMT
#630
Other than Azubu Frost Fnatic should be able to have a pretty good group stage, I hope this knocks down some of the Rekkles hype when people realize that if Fnatic can win games with Yellowstar, Fnatic as a team wins games not the ad carry.
Carrilord has arrived.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 18 2013 19:02 GMT
#631
On January 19 2013 03:59 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 03:58 GTR wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:57 TheYango wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:55 Lysanias wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:53 LaNague wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:50 TheYango wrote:
Also, I'd point out that in MYM vs Curse, Curse vs Gambit, and Gambit vs MYM, Blue team won all 3 games.

It's getting to the point where in games between "close" teams, Blue/Purple imbalance seems a bit too relevant.


they should seperate first pick and blue side and see where that leads to.


No they should always go for a Bo2 instead of Bo1's. As many have said it's alot more fair and easy to balance points out.

It doesn't fix the problem as it applies to map imbalance in Bo3s/Bo5s--the team that gets to have Blue side an extra time gets an advantage.


... which is why blind pick for the last set is ingenious.

I don't think that solves the issue either, though it lessens it if you believe that 1st pick has a significant draft advantage.

If you think the draft advantage is significant in relation to the map advantage, then it should be purple team that gets 1st ban/1st pick.


purple having 1st pick should be done first.
Because only then you can collect data regarding map imbalance as right now we only have blueside+firstpick data.
Only by it being seperated you can actually know if and how much blue and purple are imbalanced.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
January 18 2013 19:02 GMT
#632
On January 19 2013 03:55 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 03:54 HazMat wrote:
Oh what, Blaze vs Curse is not streamed? zz


Happy Birthday Shake.

No Blaze x Curse isn't streamed, sadly. Even now that GG vs MYM has ended, they don't switch games :/

Thanks. Now I remember why I rarely watch IEM. Saint was jungling Ezreal, too.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
January 18 2013 19:03 GMT
#633
MYM vs Curse ~22:20 MYM
Curse vs Gambit ~32:50 Curse
Gambit vs MYM ~26:00 Gambit

So if Curse wins Azubu/Curse is in, if Azubu wins Azubu/Gambit are in. MYM can't make it. Shame, I really enjoyed Czaru's play.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
January 18 2013 19:03 GMT
#634
So gambit is still going be through?
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
January 18 2013 19:04 GMT
#635
On January 19 2013 03:59 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2013 03:58 GTR wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:57 TheYango wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:55 Lysanias wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:53 LaNague wrote:
On January 19 2013 03:50 TheYango wrote:
Also, I'd point out that in MYM vs Curse, Curse vs Gambit, and Gambit vs MYM, Blue team won all 3 games.

It's getting to the point where in games between "close" teams, Blue/Purple imbalance seems a bit too relevant.


they should seperate first pick and blue side and see where that leads to.


No they should always go for a Bo2 instead of Bo1's. As many have said it's alot more fair and easy to balance points out.

It doesn't fix the problem as it applies to map imbalance in Bo3s/Bo5s--the team that gets to have Blue side an extra time gets an advantage.


... which is why blind pick for the last set is ingenious.

I don't think that solves the issue either, though it lessens it if you believe that 1st pick has a significant draft advantage.

If you think the draft advantage is significant in relation to the map advantage, then it should be purple team that gets 1st ban/1st pick.

Or one team picks drafting order and the other picks side of field. No reason that you have to hard-link drafting order to side of field.
ExoFun
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2041 Posts
January 18 2013 19:05 GMT
#636


Azubu wins against Curse, while Gambit beat MYM. Teams to advance from Group A are Gambit and Azubu. #IEM #Katowice


pic.twitter.com/5XqQW9x4
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
January 18 2013 19:06 GMT
#637
On January 19 2013 04:05 ExoFun wrote:
https://twitter.com/IEM/status/292346543187578880

Show nested quote +
Azubu wins against Curse, while Gambit beat MYM. Teams to advance from Group A are Gambit and Azubu. #IEM #Katowice


pic.twitter.com/5XqQW9x4


That pic is Crs vs Gambit, not Crs vs Blaze >< IEM fucking up again?
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 18 2013 19:06 GMT
#638
On January 19 2013 04:03 Lounge wrote:
MYM vs Curse ~22:20 MYM
Curse vs Gambit ~32:50 Curse
Gambit vs MYM ~26:00 Gambit

So if Curse wins Azubu/Curse is in, if Azubu wins Azubu/Gambit are in. MYM can't make it. Shame, I really enjoyed Czaru's play.

Curse was already reported to have lost against Blaze.
Off-season = best season
GregMandel
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
France822 Posts
January 18 2013 19:07 GMT
#639
Lol scumbag Redeye :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD8QLNiolfk - Racing with the sun
Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
January 18 2013 19:08 GMT
#640
Ah, had the stream down while I was searching for times. So Gambit will be moving on. They were separated by ~3 minutes with MYM. Which is sad if you consider how much closer MYM played Azubu than Gambit, but those times don't count.
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