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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.

Fair warning to all.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 14 2012 23:00 GMT
#17081
people taking things out of context, when you finish a 3k gold item by 11 min 2 games in a row, it makes a champion look like they do a shitload of damage.
Carrilord has arrived.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
October 15 2012 00:31 GMT
#17082
Where are the interviews for TPA and Frost? I can't find anything on riot and reddit...
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 00:42:35
October 15 2012 00:37 GMT
#17083
Slasher tweeted two positive things about LoL ?!?!

On October 15 2012 09:31 nosliw wrote:
Where are the interviews for TPA and Frost? I can't find anything on riot and reddit...



this one?
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 15 2012 01:04 GMT
#17084
On October 15 2012 07:09 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 06:42 Scip wrote:
On October 15 2012 06:25 Frolossus wrote:
you can't really nerf orianna's damage because thats not her strong point or the reason people pick her

That's the exact reason why damage would be the best thing to nerf on Orianna. It's not why people pick her, so she will retain the same feel and main points, but she will be weaker overall, which is what we would want to achieve.


Nerfing her damage wouldn't change her viability in competitive games at all. It would just make her even worse in unorganized pub play.

If you want to make Ori a less viable competitive pick you need to increase her CDs. Probably just a CD increase on Q would suffice. She's not so strong that she needs a big nerf, if she needs a nerf at all.

edit:
Wow, actually, after the semi-finals and finals games Orianna was the most banned/picked AP mid of the tournament. Karth was second, Anivia third. I still think CD changes or something other than her damage would be the best way to balance her if nerfs are indeed coming. Source


#1. A Cooldown increase is a nerf to damage. It is also a nerf to utility.

On October 15 2012 06:49 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 06:44 Craton wrote:
Orianna doesn't even have very high damage. I don't know why you're even trying to nerf her any more.

this.

if you want to nerf her, you have to nerf something else that isn't her damage because she already falls off harder than most other mids


#2. If we nerf her damage she can be like a better Janna Mid. If we nerf her utility she basically becomes an immobile Ahri or a low-range Xerath.

Awesome!
Freeeeeeedom
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
October 15 2012 01:31 GMT
#17085
On October 15 2012 09:37 Chexx wrote:
Slasher tweeted two positive things about LoL ?!?!

Show nested quote +
On October 15 2012 09:31 nosliw wrote:
Where are the interviews for TPA and Frost? I can't find anything on riot and reddit...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fAcg3DUeGA&feature=g-u-u
this one?

When was Slasher ever anti lol? Just because he called out riot on their bullshit exclusive teams to kill competition?
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
October 15 2012 01:45 GMT
#17086
Slasher was never anti-League for the most part, just pulled the trigger too soon based on unsubstantiated rumours.

SirScoots though, yeah, if I say what I want to say on him I'll get banned from Teamliquid.
Go go Alliance.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 01:54:31
October 15 2012 01:54 GMT
#17087
I only saw negative comments from Slasher. Therefore I was suprised when he tweeted that he liked the finals etc.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 15 2012 02:01 GMT
#17088
Hey, I my friend and I got our swag bags after standing in line for an hour... and while my bag had the champ riven skin code in it, his did not. We searched everywhere and could not find it. Evidently some other people were having the problem that we were. So when I get back to a place with internet I try to send a ticket to Riot in the hope that they would give us the code. But at the submit request place, the category option was unselectable. And I can't submit the request without that part being used. Any help?
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
October 15 2012 02:16 GMT
#17089
On October 15 2012 11:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Hey, I my friend and I got our swag bags after standing in line for an hour... and while my bag had the champ riven skin code in it, his did not. We searched everywhere and could not find it. Evidently some other people were having the problem that we were. So when I get back to a place with internet I try to send a ticket to Riot in the hope that they would give us the code. But at the submit request place, the category option was unselectable. And I can't submit the request without that part being used. Any help?


try the normal support? and tell them about it. They will probably redirect you to the right person.
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 02:20:28
October 15 2012 02:19 GMT
#17090
Edit: Wrong thread
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Illest.
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada133 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 03:42:53
October 15 2012 03:41 GMT
#17091
edit: nvm found it.
I ♥ KPop.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 03:47:13
October 15 2012 03:47 GMT
#17092
edit: wrong found it
GANDHISAUCE
Icysoul
Profile Joined December 2007
Canada254 Posts
October 15 2012 03:49 GMT
#17093
http://imgur.com/a/3cwYw
front page news in Taiwan, apparently made it on the front page of all the Taiwanese major newspapers. ESPORTS
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
October 15 2012 04:10 GMT
#17094
nice, FRONT PAGE!
xennitee
Profile Joined October 2012
Taiwan10 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 04:53:56
October 15 2012 04:14 GMT
#17095
I was too excited so that it was over 2am after I posted, then I finally realized I should sleep.
But, really appreciate to the replies. :D

On October 15 2012 02:25 PassiveAce wrote:
Your english is flawless.

Actually I went to an online dictionary to find out what flawless means, and it took me nearly an hour to make the post also. These are reasons I say not good English.
But, really thanks.

On October 15 2012 02:26 TheYango wrote:
I think this is a vast oversimplification that doesn't do Ballz' control of his own tempo/farming enough justice.

Snoopeh camps lanes. Ballz does not camp lanes. He ganks actively, but he does not camp. I think this is an important, and critical distinction when it comes to looking at jungler play here.

TPA played in Korea's Battle Royal online tourney, and they got beat every time. In one of these games (I think it's vs MVP), ballz' Mundo was out of 2 items compared enemy's Nocturne at 40min or 45min game time when 2 teams were even on gold. I think it's dangerous when enemy team can kill a Mundo in 3 seconds in teamfights.
I didn't want to compared Snoopeh and Ballz, "Snoopeh-type" was just kidding about both their teams put more resources on carries. But TPA showed a difference in championships, that's why I said "they well improved their farm balance between jungler and top/mid laners."
http://leaguepedia.com/wiki/NiceGameTV_Battle_Royal
To be honest, I was really upset back that time, 2-15 TPA. ;-;

On October 15 2012 02:31 seRapH wrote:
Sooo.... Bebe is actually a dog.?

BeBe so cute. <3
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=305552476218665&set=pb.200452896728624.-2207520000.1350269326&type=1&theater

On October 15 2012 02:49 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
what's your taiwan IGN xennitee?
你如果需要翻译我可以帮你 ^^

Also xennitee in Taiwan server, but I'm a bot-annihilator only haha.

http://www.facebook.com/mistakeLoL/posts/424360867628090
This is from MiSTakE facebook. It tells how much presures are on him and his teammates.

http://www.facebook.com/tpaLoL/posts/376177562454920
This is a post GPL game post from TPA facebook. They did a really bad game at #76 against gpl bottom team BKT. At that moment, boos are from everywhere, both fans and haters. They needed to make this post to clarify why they play it like that.

By the way, I'm not asking for translations. I just want to share something to those of you can read Chinese.

On October 15 2012 02:50 bezerkley wrote:
I really really like Mistake, probably because I play a lot of support.
There was that quite funny moment in TPA vs. M5 (think it was game 2?) when they were doing a team fight on M5's 2nd top tower, in the middle of some intense shot-calling ("focus this, someone on m5 just used this ult") Mistake suddenly realized he was focused down and said "I'm dead", he seemed quite sad, then he found himself and resumed calling plays.

They caught Genja's Kog'Maw but they also lost Bebe's Vayne. So it looked not very good end up with 3 for 5 when TPA were ahead on gold and got Baron buff. Bebe also said sorry after the fight. But, MiSTakE #1 shotcaller haha.

On October 15 2012 02:56 ticklishmusic wrote:
Welcome to TL, post more, your English is pretty good and practice makes perfect.

Thanks a lot. I like discussions here very much.




Here's a little story about Bebe. When he was in high school, he pretty much played video games everyday. If he plays too late that day, he skips classes the next day. After his teacher knows the reasons, he told Bebe "If you are so in love with video games, how about try to become a pro player?". As we all know, there are rare Asian teachers would encourge students to play video games more professionally. That's so sweet to read this after he became the world champion.
And same as Bebe, Stanley and MiSTakE also had school issues. So I'm so happy they proved themselves.


edit: TPA members give most credits to players by positions:
Stanley on top: Azubu Blaze Reaperd
Lilballz on jungle: iG illusion
Toyz on ap mid: CLG.eu Froggen
Bebe on ad: WE WeiXiao
MiSTakE on support: Azubu Frost Madlife
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
October 15 2012 04:18 GMT
#17096
Hold on one minute here...


Bebeisadog = Bebe??

JOKES???
Retvrn to Forvms
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 04:34:05
October 15 2012 04:24 GMT
#17097
On October 15 2012 13:18 Chrispy wrote:
Hold on one minute here...


Bebeisadog = Bebe??

JOKES???

You're actually an idiot for not knowing that.

TPA on NA:

Lilballz = Lilballz
Toyz = Toyzlolz
Mistake = Mistakelolz
Stanley = Stanley0506
Bebe = bebeisadog
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-15 17:06:13
October 15 2012 16:15 GMT
#17098
EDIT: i realized this has already been translated on reddit. fuck me im stupid
EDIT2: nvm i think my version is more accurate

toyz facebook comment on the 12 AP mid players in S2. i took the liberty of translating them for you kiddies

以下是一篇關於參加S2大賽12支隊伍的中路玩家分析,排名不分先後。

below is the list of s2 ap mid players, not in order of ranking

SAJ_NIXWATER - 雖然他沒有頂尖的對線技巧,但是為什麼他們能夠取得S2的資格甚至打敗DIG多抱2萬5獎金回家?原因在於他們隊伍了解到自己隊伍的缺點找到最適合他們的META,雙中。這個META讓他們把缺點都藏起來了,迫使對手需要重新適應整個遊戲風格。

although he doesn't have peak mechanical skills, how is it that they were able to obtain the right of entry to the S2 finals and even beat dignitas to take an extra 25k home? the reason lies in the fact that their team understands their own weaknesses and found a suitable meta that fits them, duo mid ~ this meta lets them hide their weaknesses, forcing their opponents to readjust their gameplay

SK_ocelote - 對線技巧不錯,但是不足以在世界頂尖選手中取得優勢,也是一位喜歡在6級前遊走GANK的中路選手。年代的過去,他的蛇女再也沒辦法在舞台上壓制對手,球女在S2資格賽對上CLG.EU曝光,小組賽再也選不到。簡單來說是在這次比賽自信的角色並沒有很多。

decent mechanics, but not enough to overpower anyone among the world's best, and also someone who likes to gank pre-6. times have changed, and his cass can no longer suppress the opponent. his ori showed a flash of brilliance against CLG.EU in the qualifiers, and he's no longer able to play it in the playoffs. basically, not many ap mid champs that he's confident of this tournament

CLG_Bigfatlp - 曾經第一季的神,遇誰壓遇,怎麼打怎麼嬴。第二季的到來,我也不知道到底是jiji退步了,還是其他選手慢慢的跟上腳步,相比起來他跟世界頂尖的選手對線技巧比起來稍微有點不足,導致小組賽中路都拿不到太大的優勢。振作阿JIJI!

was once the season 1 god, fucks who he sees, wins however he plays. around comes season 2, and i dont know if it's jiji that has deproved, or it's just the other AP mids who have caught up. comparatively, his mechanics are a little lacking compared to the world's best AP mids, causing him to not be able to obtain any advantage from the mid lane during the playoffs. get your shit together jiji!

iG_Zz1tai - 擁有一流的打線技巧,喜歡用雪球角色,例如蛇女,斯溫等等角色。跑線能力偏低,因為他喜歡一直壓制你中路,就是因為太依賴使用雪球角色導致他整系列比賽在後期表現得不太好,跟他對線需要更加小心,後期會戰要嬴不會難。

first-rate mechanics, has preference for snowbally champs such as cass, swain etc. not much roaming ability as he lieks to pressure you at mid, because of his overreliance on snowball champs, his lategame performance is usually not too great. playing against him you just have to be careful, lategame it won't be hard to win teamfights.

WE_Misaya - WE目前來說算是一個全新的隊伍,兩位新成員加入,雖然台柱微笑依然佔領世界前三強AD。隊伍上的配合度不夠,而這次比賽他選用的角色包括Orianna,Vlad,Ryze。Orianna並沒有玩得非常純熟,而Vlad跟Ryze卻並不是隊伍中致勝的關鍵,嬴是穩穩的,輸也是穩穩的。

the current WE can be said to be a whole new roster with the inclusion of 2 new members, although Weixiao is still one of the top 3 ADs in the world. not enough coordination within the team, and the champs he chose in this tournament: (ori, vlad, ryze) Ori: he didn't seem to be experienced enough with her, and his vlad and ryze were never the decisive factor in their games. when they won he was just around there (referring to his impact), when they lost he was just around there too.

NaJin Sword_SSONG - Orianna的操控者,在韓國S2資格賽他的Orianna表現得非常好,8強對上我們運用一些選角心理令他兩場都沒辦法選到Orianna,對線技巧不錯,一些中路視野掌握度不夠,除了Orianna以外他需要熟練更多的角色。

the controller of orianna (???), his orianna play during the korean qualifiers were very good. during the top 8 matches we used some draft psychology / mindfuckery to make him unable to pick ori. his mechanics are not bad, his grasp of vision around mid isn't enough. other than orianna he needs to train more champs

TSM_Reginald - 也許他已經了解到自己再也找不到S1那種侵略的Style,他往後唯一有比較大影響的只有Karthus,當一個對線技巧不足以讓你打出優勢跑線能力也不足的時候,Karthus將會是最好的選擇,穩穩的農,大招就是全球支援。也許他會選擇S3中淡出職業生涯?我不知道。

maybe he finally understands that he can no longer find that aggressive playstyle he was known for from season 1. recently the only champ he is able to have a large impact on the game on is karthus. when your mechanics / roaming abilities are not strong enough to produce an advantage from mid, karthus will be the logical best choice. play it stably and the ult is a global assist. perhaps he will choose to (something about retirement) in s3?

DIG_scarra - 西門夜說.NA,也許大家覺得我在釣魚,我並沒有:D。有一定的對線技巧,愛嘴炮,自大,把自己整個形象都破壞了。整個年度裡面最大型的比賽卻選擇了Kata,我相信這十二支隊伍裡面都不會希望自己隊伍的中路選手只玩自己想玩的英雄,下場就是被賽前排名12的隊伍打到爛掉。

西門也說westdoor.NA (referring to the fact that scarra played kat, something which westdoor is known for). perhaps people will think i'm fishing, but i'm not. has some level of mechanical skills, likes to talk his mouth off, arrogant, totally ruined his image. chose to play kata in the year's biggest tournament. i believe that in these 12 teams no one would want their AP mid to only play what he felt like playing. in the next match they got creamed by the team ranked 12th in the tournament~

M5_Alex.ich - 雖然這次比賽他被單殺的次數很高,不得不佩服的是他對遊戲的認知與經驗,這次比賽選用了EVE,Gragas,Zliean。EVE毫無疑問的把IG跟我們都打爛了,實在是想不出任何應對的方式,他會選擇用Zliean是因為他的被動與復活吧,對團隊幫助極大,只是有點過於執著在這個角色了,另外他拿手角色Gragas卻是上個版本被nerf過的角色,當然不會是致勝的關鍵,Alex絕對是我遇過經驗最多最讓人有壓力的一個選手。

although he was solo killed pretty often in this tournament, i can't help but respect (take a hat off to) his understanding of the game. in this tourney he used eve, gragas and zilean. his eve raped us and iG, no questions asked, totally can't think of any counter strat for that. he chose zilean probably for his revive, which helps his whole team out a lot, although he is perhaps a little too stubborn about this particular champ. another one of his best champs gragas has actually been nerfed in the previous patch, so it's obviously not going to be the key to victory. alex is definitely the most experienced and pressurizing player i've ever met.

CLG.eu_Froggen - 很多採訪都有問到我那一位選手最難應付,我的回答是Froggen,為什麼?他是一個永遠都住在中路的玩家,個人操作技巧以及反應都是最頂尖的,隊伍給他的配合也是超過正常中路所得到的,試著想想看一級的Karthus會拿到四鬼、三狼、藍BUFF,導致Snoopeh的各種落後,當然我也很明白他們隊伍整個核心就是Froggen。而賽前我也跟隊友說CLG.eu在這次比賽幾乎不可能取得勝利,為什麼?因為這不是Froggen的年代,他曾經用過的角色一一被nerf,百份之百被ban的冰鳥,Orianna他也許不喜歡玩,幾乎就剩下Karthus了,這真的非常可惜。

a lot of interviews have asked me which player i find the hardest to face. my answer is Froggen. why? he is a player who perpetually lives at mid lane. peak mechanics and reactions. the support / coordination he gets from his team is also way beyond what most normal AP mid players get. try to imagine a level 1 karthus who gets wraiths, wolves, blue buff, inevitably causing snoopeh to fall behind. of course i also understand this is because the core of their team is Froggen. before the tournament i said to my team that CLG.eu can't win this tournament. why? because it's not froggen's era. the champs he used to play have been nerfed, anivia is a permaban, perhaps he doesn't like to play orianna, and thus he's only left with karthus. really a pity.

Azubu Frost_RapidStar - 決賽的對手,對線技巧不錯,但是在於中路視野控制跟四鬼的控制力不足,導致幾乎每一場都被我outfram,還有一點就是對上我們卻把Orianna放出兩場,不知道是隊伍的討論還是他自己的個人決定,這就好像對上Froggen不ban冰鳥卻又不選的情況是相同的,值得尊敬的對手,擁有最頂尖的Skill shot技巧。把Lux演化成另一隻角色,非常厲害的一位玩家。

my opponent in the finals. pretty good mechanics, but his grasp of the vision / control of wraiths is lacking, causing him to get outfarmed by me every game. another thing is that he let us get ori twice, not sure if this is what his team decided on after discussion or if it's his personal decision. this is kind of like facing froggen, not banning aniv and not picking it either. a respectable opponent, really really good at skillshots. turned lux into a whole new champ, a really powerful player.

TPA_Toyz - 至於我自己嘛....沒什麼好講了XD 只能說這次比賽的表現我很滿意。

as for me....not much i have to say XD can only say that i am very pleased with my performance this tournament~

這幾天也許會發更多的文章讓大家了解更多你們不知道的事情,敬請期待 lol...

these few days perhaps i'll write more essays to let everyone understand more about the things that you wouldn't have known, please look forward to it lol...
cool beans
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 15 2012 16:43 GMT
#17099
On October 15 2012 13:24 HazMat wrote:
Lilballz = Lilballz

Does Lilballz actually have the Lilballz NA account again?

I remember he sold his account when he first quit NA (ran into the guy who bought his account once in a normal game, was sad to see afterward that the guy had tanked Ballz' 2k Elo down to 1300), and so when he started playing on NA again with the TPA team he was using a smurf account (Lover Mundo I think?).
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 15 2012 16:51 GMT
#17100
interesting ap mid evaluations from Toyz there, was especially surprised about the his opinion on scarra, pls translate the last three especially since I was reading this I was anticipating Froggen Alex ich and Rapidstar the most haha
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