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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.

Fair warning to all.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
October 14 2012 07:31 GMT
#16941
On October 14 2012 16:28 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 16:25 Kavas wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:16 Navi wrote:
there was 1 fight where toyz on anivia was being focused (correctly) by the enemy team at the start of the fight, this was at dragon when TPA had the lead and looked dominant up until this point
lilballz on maokai was right next to him, and when toyz was at about 30% ballz got lulu ulted rather than toyz
im fairly certain this was a mistake by mistake (hue) - if mistake's goal was to chaincc the enemy with a knockup, an ult on toyz would have achieved the same effect as they were standing right next to each other and ballz was relatively high hp (80-60%) on a tankier and less dps - valuable champ

as a result anivia got egged very early in the fight and got very few ticks of her ult off, imo that would have made the difference - if TPA could maintain that advantage i think they could continue to win teamfights if they chose locations better (slightly more contained teamfight areas, where anivia and vayne excel)

Everyone on TPA made huge mistakes in the first game, but Bebe was the most glaring IMO. Questionable item build and target firing. I was really really surprised he went for IE and a second zeal when the enemy were full of divers who would like nothing better than to get into your face.

Also interesting that Shy didn't pick Irelia other than the first game. He must not be confident on it.

Really? I personally thought Toyz played the worst in that game. He was atrociously positioned in basically every single fight but one. He would get egged or outright killed at the beginning of every fight that game and honestly that was what really caused them to lose imo.

Bebe with his questionable item build didn't help, but by the time he was building his second PD the game was already tilted in AZF's favor pretty heavily since Rapidstar pressing R did like 40~50% of TPA's carries' hp.

It's really both in my opinion. If either one didn't happen then the game would have happened much differently.
boomer hands
LuckyMacro
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1482 Posts
October 14 2012 07:31 GMT
#16942
On October 14 2012 16:29 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 16:27 arb wrote:
There no way to get the code for whatever reward thing? i missed the finals sadly

go to: bit.ly/lolriven

the code is : 521337


Does this go into effect immediately? I got a "thank you" but nothing so far :O
Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
October 14 2012 07:44 GMT
#16943
:o I've been trying repeatedly and just now was the first time I got anything but «could not connect to the server» -- namely «The page you are looking for is temporarily unavailable».
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
October 14 2012 07:46 GMT
#16944
How many playeres were watching (peak) yesterday?
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
October 14 2012 07:50 GMT
#16945
Gratz to TPA.

They really outplayed Frost in the lane and early game every single game.
Retvrn to Forvms
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
October 14 2012 07:52 GMT
#16946
On October 14 2012 16:19 Navi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 15:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
THEYRE ALL TOO FUCKIN GOOD

there's no way to outpick tpa it seems. their players are just too good with too many champs.


i dont think that TPA has too wide of a champion pool on many of their players (that can be played at a competitive level) except for perhaps stanley - toyz in particular seems most comfortable picking orianna, anivia, karthus [morgana, not seen in this tourney] (in that order)
but wasting 3 bans on any given player leaves too many options open to the enemy team to pick around


they have one of the widest champion pools i've seen in any pro team

toyz plays ori/karthus/morgana/anivia. morgana in particular is his 'main' but as you can see his ori / karthus also destroys worlds

stanley really likes his nid but he plays almost every top lane champ

bebe plays all ADs

mistake plays all supports, minus wonky ones like zyra (not to say that he doesn't play them, i just haven't seen him play them)

lilballz is the only one you could possibly label 'limited'. he prefers udyr, alis, mundo, skarner but i doubt he would be severely gimped if you tried to ban him out.

cool beans
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 14 2012 07:57 GMT
#16947
On October 14 2012 16:31 LuckyMacro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 16:29 Ryuu314 wrote:
On October 14 2012 16:27 arb wrote:
There no way to get the code for whatever reward thing? i missed the finals sadly

go to: bit.ly/lolriven

the code is : 521337


Does this go into effect immediately? I got a "thank you" but nothing so far :O

I dont think it goes into effect immediately. They're probably goign to credit people's account with it bit by bit so they don't explode their servers the same way the redeem website exploded.
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
October 14 2012 07:58 GMT
#16948
full TPA!
[image loading]

from left to right:

colalin, nexabc, bebe, toyz, stanley, erica, mistake, lilballz
cool beans
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 14 2012 07:59 GMT
#16949
why Toyz so handsome?
liftlift > tsm
fishinguy
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation798 Posts
October 14 2012 07:59 GMT
#16950
On October 14 2012 16:46 thezanursic wrote:
How many playeres were watching (peak) yesterday?


I want to know this too, missed the games because they are so damn early for most Europeans...
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 14 2012 08:01 GMT
#16951
On October 14 2012 16:59 fishinguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 16:46 thezanursic wrote:
How many playeres were watching (peak) yesterday?


I want to know this too, missed the games because they are so damn early for most Europeans...

janook said 900k on the streams combined, not including china, or korean tv.
liftlift > tsm
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
October 14 2012 08:02 GMT
#16952
Gratz to TPA, I was pulling for you hard the whole finals.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 14 2012 08:03 GMT
#16953
On October 14 2012 16:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 16:19 Navi wrote:
On October 14 2012 15:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
THEYRE ALL TOO FUCKIN GOOD

there's no way to outpick tpa it seems. their players are just too good with too many champs.


i dont think that TPA has too wide of a champion pool on many of their players (that can be played at a competitive level) except for perhaps stanley - toyz in particular seems most comfortable picking orianna, anivia, karthus [morgana, not seen in this tourney] (in that order)
but wasting 3 bans on any given player leaves too many options open to the enemy team to pick around


they have one of the widest champion pools i've seen in any pro team

toyz plays ori/karthus/morgana/anivia. morgana in particular is his 'main' but as you can see his ori / karthus also destroys worlds

stanley really likes his nid but he plays almost every top lane champ

bebe plays all ADs

mistake plays all supports, minus wonky ones like zyra (not to say that he doesn't play them, i just haven't seen him play them)

lilballz is the only one you could possibly label 'limited'. he prefers udyr, alis, mundo, skarner but i doubt he would be severely gimped if you tried to ban him out.


Purely based off of my limited experience watching TPA, I don't think TPA has a "wide" champion pool necessarily, but it's more that they are extremely proficient at enough champions that it's impossible to ban them out with only 3 bans.

I mean, just based on the stuff they played this tourney:
Toyz has Oriana, Karthus, Anivia
Stanley has Jayce, Nidalee, Shen
Bebe has Vayne, Kog, Cait, Ezreal
Mistake has all popular supports minus Zyra and Lux
Lilballz has Mundo, Maokai (I guess there's Udyr but he kinda failed that game)

Banning out more than 1-2 supports or ad carries simply isn't a good pick/ban strategy since top/mid lanes have more abusive champs and the nature of the AD/Support lane allows for a very large level of flexibility and is less punishing for "bad" matchups. Lilballz successful champion pool this tournament is kinda limited, but it's simply not worth banning him out. Why? Because of Toyz and Stanley. Even then, those two play enough champions that it's impossible to ban them out completely without totally screwing over your pick/ban phase.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 08:09:42
October 14 2012 08:05 GMT
#16954
Just because we saw repeated picks, doesn't mean there is a limited champ pool from the team. Considering how well bebe played vayne, and kog (arguably the 2 worst laning AD's) I'm sure he can play any fucking AD carry he wants, and stomp shit with it.

As far as Toyz is concerned, he showed very high level of skill with anivia/ori/karthus, I wouldn't be surprised if his other ap carries were at that level as well. The ori pick was probably more out of team comp, than out of lack of champion pool.

Lilballz mundo was so good, but I could totally see him playing high level chogath jungle, especially considering how good his maokai jungle was as well. Considering lillballz's style, mundo definitely fit him like a glove.

mistake was just boss with all the supports, except when he wiffed sona ultis.

stanley just seems unbannable, so long as lilballz is the jungler. their synergy was ridiculously good. also all those shen picks also seemed to be out of team necessity, not necessarily out of lack of champion pool.
liftlift > tsm
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
October 14 2012 08:05 GMT
#16955
On October 14 2012 16:59 wei2coolman wrote:
why Toyz so handsome?

why stanley so fat
GANDHISAUCE
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 14 2012 08:08 GMT
#16956
I'm glad that TPA won. Their play style is pretty cool but I'm worried that they might falter if other teams catch up to their lane strength/early game.
1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
October 14 2012 08:08 GMT
#16957
On October 14 2012 16:59 wei2coolman wrote:
why Toyz so handsome?

cuz he's short lol
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 14 2012 08:10 GMT
#16958
On October 14 2012 17:05 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 16:59 wei2coolman wrote:
why Toyz so handsome?

why stanley so fat

Need a bigger container, to hold all that skills.
liftlift > tsm
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
October 14 2012 08:10 GMT
#16959
On October 14 2012 17:05 De4ngus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 16:59 wei2coolman wrote:
why Toyz so handsome?

why stanley so fat

Cuz he's always fed
boomer hands
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
October 14 2012 08:13 GMT
#16960
gg u guys are too smart for me
GANDHISAUCE
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