EPTYeah.
And we also have a new things to yell at every matches. Instead of TSM TSM TSM. Its now TPA TPA TPA and for a very good reason.
EDIT: Now I am happy and can get back to my cave and play WoW:MOP. See ya all in a month.
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
Yeah. And we also have a new things to yell at every matches. Instead of TSM TSM TSM. Its now TPA TPA TPA and for a very good reason. EDIT: Now I am happy and can get back to my cave and play WoW:MOP. See ya all in a month. | ||
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nanoscorp
United States1237 Posts
(Toyz + Lilballz) > Stanley, Mistake, Bebe Toyz+lilballz waltzed around the map beautifully. Toyz had the skills and build to farm mid like mad, but the coordination with Lilballz on blue buffs/steals, donated wraiths, map pressure elsewhere took Toyz to another level. Shame we didn't get to see Stanidalee in the finals, but he stuck to a similar plan pushing solo-ish while maintaining a threat (on shen, of jumping in to the teamfight, or knocking over towers). Mistake coordinated, Bebe did the ADC thing well, but I still think the mid+jungle game from TPA was the sickest element of their teamplay. | ||
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RajaF
Canada530 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:26 Ryuu314 wrote: Well you could argue that Toyz farming up a storm and dominating mid-game is also just "doing his job." I mean, I completely agree, it's a team game and TPA showed really great teamplay which was really what led to to victory. Just if we were to make a power rank of sorts that details the impact each had on the game, I'd personally rank them: Lilballz > Stanley > Toyz > Bebe > Mistake Although Mistake is the shotcaller for TPA, so he should probably be much much higher. That's exactly what I mean. Personally I can't rank them in any order since each member of the team did their job almost perfectly. And honestly ranking bebe last is so easy because he was not noticed that much in the game, but I would think that's the best attribute of an ADC. Do dmg, don't get noticed, if you get some kills even better. I would love to see the game stats for these matches. | ||
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MooMooMugi
United States10531 Posts
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
V.v.entertaining series, and a worthy grand finals. TPA! (I really, really like how they'll give Toyz wraiths+wolves, but then let Lilballz get lanefarm/XP up top or bot so he doesn't end up starved - something CLG.EU could learn from, etc) | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21246 Posts
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:28 nanoscorp wrote: i'd go (Toyz + Lilballz) > Stanley, Mistake, Bebe Toyz+lilballz waltzed around the map beautifully. Toyz had the skills and build to farm mid like mad, but the coordination with Lilballz on blue buffs/steals, donated wraiths, map pressure elsewhere took Toyz to another level. Shame we didn't get to see Stanidalee in the finals, but he stuck to a similar plan pushing solo-ish while maintaining a threat (on shen, of jumping in to the teamfight, or knocking over towers). Mistake coordinated, Bebe did the ADC thing well, but I still think the mid+jungle game from TPA was the sickest element of their teamplay. I'm still wondering what was up with the nidalee bans. She doesn't offer that much in teamfights; sure her laning is great but AZF managed to lose all lanes with or without Nidalee. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:32 Kavas wrote: I'm still wondering what was up with the nidalee bans. She doesn't offer that much in teamfights; sure her laning is great but AZF managed to lose all lanes with or without Nidalee. Well they would've lost top lane even harder if they did give Stan his nid. But clearly as we can see from these games. Stan is not champion restricted, like his lesser NA/EU counterparts. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:32 Kavas wrote: I'm still wondering what was up with the nidalee bans. She doesn't offer that much in teamfights; sure her laning is great but AZF managed to lose all lanes with or without Nidalee. It's more because of how strong Stanley's Nidalee was against M5 in the semifinals. M5 is arguably better than AZF and they couldn't deal with Stanley's Nidalee at all. Stanley's Nidalee effectively creates a chokehold on an entire lane and forces the other team to devote 1~2 players just to keep him off towers. In the TPA v. M5 game, Stanley would be chipping down the towers in his lane like a fucking boss even with his Darien trying to stop him. On October 14 2012 15:33 barbsq wrote: i was a bit upset with some of mistake's mechanical errors (there were a couple of completely whiffed sona ults, among a few other things), but if he was the shot caller, then I might reevaluate my opinion of him. In every single game of TPA's that I watched, I was thoroughly impressed by their map movement, coordination and general teamwork. It's a bit shocking to me that TPA's phenomenal laning and midgame skirmishes managed to convincingly win them all these games. Yea, imo it's very hard to rank Mistake since I'm like 90% sure he's the team captain and shot-caller. TPA was able to gain commanding leads not only from outplaying laning phase, but also getting some truly sick counter-ganks and engages down. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:34 Ryuu314 wrote: It's more because of how strong Stanley's Nidalee was against M5 in the semifinals. M5 is arguably better than AZF and they couldn't deal with Stanley's Nidalee at all. Stanley's Nidalee effectively creates a chokehold on an entire lane and forces the other team to devote 1~2 players just to keep him off towers. In the TPA v. M5 game, Stanley would be chipping down the towers in his lane like a fucking boss even with his Darien trying to stop him. Well tbh, Stan's shen worked the same way. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
 ...though Toyz is pretty handsome himself ahah. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:35 wei2coolman wrote: Well tbh, Stan's shen worked the same way. Very true, but Stanley's Shen has less champion killing power than his Nidalee. Like in the M5 v. TPA game, Darien died multiple times 1v1 under his tower to Stanley's Nidalee. That being said, I feel like banning Shen would've been smarter than banning Nidalee since Shen's global ultimate just gives soooo much more pressure it's ridiculous. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
there's no way to outpick tpa it seems. their players are just too good with too many champs. | ||
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ShampooSuicide
United States58 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:35 wei2coolman wrote: Well tbh, Stan's shen worked the same way. True, but the difference i think between his shen and nidalee was the opposing top lane. Shen wins but doesn't completely shut out the other top lane like his nidalee was doing. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:37 ShampooSuicide wrote: True, but the difference i think between his shen and nidalee was the opposing top lane. Shen wins but doesn't completely shut out the other top lane like his nidalee was doing. It's also a matter of self-sufficiency. Stanley's Shen = win with Ballz' help, particularly in a few critical matchups where he should lose otherwise. Stanlye's Nidalee = Ballz can totally ignore Stanley and trust him to win anyway in the vast majority of cases. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:37 ShampooSuicide wrote: True, but the difference i think between his shen and nidalee was the opposing top lane. Shen wins but doesn't completely shut out the other top lane like his nidalee was doing. But It allowed for a 5v5 fight from TPA at all time, nidalee doesn't offer that she she split pushes, what she offers is the ability to draw 2 people off of team, and make your team 4v3. Either way, can't ban out stan. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On October 14 2012 15:37 ShampooSuicide wrote: True, but the difference i think between his shen and nidalee was the opposing top lane. Shen wins but doesn't completely shut out the other top lane like his nidalee was doing. Fair enough, though I was pretty impressed when his Shen was murdering Shy's Jax 1v1 | ||
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