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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.

Fair warning to all.
Caphe
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Vietnam10817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 06:45:53
October 14 2012 06:44 GMT
#16921
lol, Taiwan Garena stream is making fun of Chinese commentators...This is hilarious.

EDIT: I am retarded that was re-broadcast
Terran
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 14 2012 06:44 GMT
#16922
On October 14 2012 15:43 Haasts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 15:37 ShampooSuicide wrote:
On October 14 2012 15:35 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 14 2012 15:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
On October 14 2012 15:32 Kavas wrote:
On October 14 2012 15:28 nanoscorp wrote:
i'd go

(Toyz + Lilballz) > Stanley, Mistake, Bebe
Toyz+lilballz waltzed around the map beautifully. Toyz had the skills and build to farm mid like mad, but the coordination with Lilballz on blue buffs/steals, donated wraiths, map pressure elsewhere took Toyz to another level. Shame we didn't get to see Stanidalee in the finals, but he stuck to a similar plan pushing solo-ish while maintaining a threat (on shen, of jumping in to the teamfight, or knocking over towers). Mistake coordinated, Bebe did the ADC thing well, but I still think the mid+jungle game from TPA was the sickest element of their teamplay.

I'm still wondering what was up with the nidalee bans. She doesn't offer that much in teamfights; sure her laning is great but AZF managed to lose all lanes with or without Nidalee.

It's more because of how strong Stanley's Nidalee was against M5 in the semifinals. M5 is arguably better than AZF and they couldn't deal with Stanley's Nidalee at all.

Stanley's Nidalee effectively creates a chokehold on an entire lane and forces the other team to devote 1~2 players just to keep him off towers. In the TPA v. M5 game, Stanley would be chipping down the towers in his lane like a fucking boss even with his Darien trying to stop him.

Well tbh, Stan's shen worked the same way.


True, but the difference i think between his shen and nidalee was the opposing top lane. Shen wins but doesn't completely shut out the other top lane like his nidalee was doing.



Fair enough, though I was pretty impressed when his Shen was murdering Shy's Jax 1v1

I was impressed when TPA forced a 22 min surrender out of AZF, when there's a million dollars on the line.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 06:47:41
October 14 2012 06:45 GMT
#16923
On October 14 2012 15:43 Haasts wrote:
Fair enough, though I was pretty impressed when his Shen was murdering Shy's Jax 1v1

There were undoubtedly points in that lane where Shy could have pushed an advantage, but was afraid to do so because of Ballz' presence. Again, if Stanley has Nid, he can create that advantage virtually on his own, even if the enemy top KNOWS that Ballz is 100% ignoring his lane.

Even if Stanley wins the lane either way, there's a big difference between "Stanley's Shen wins lanes with a superior jungler", and "Stanley's Nidalee wins lanes with no jungler".
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 14 2012 06:45 GMT
#16924
On October 14 2012 15:45 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 15:43 Haasts wrote:
Fair enough, though I was pretty impressed when his Shen was murdering Shy's Jax 1v1

There were undoubtedly points in that lane where Shy could have pushed an advantage, but was afraid to do so because of Ballz' presence. Again, if Stanley has Nid, he can create that advantage virtually on his own, even if the enemy top KNOWS that Ballz is 100% ignoring his lane.

So what yango is saying, is Ballz is #1 in everyone's TPA power ranking.
liftlift > tsm
Haasts
Profile Joined October 2011
New Zealand4445 Posts
October 14 2012 06:52 GMT
#16925
I really wish there were DotA2-style replays of these games that I could watch in-client just to track TPA's movements - it was astonishing how they counterganked ... in that first game when Stanley's Olaf suddenly appeared behind Woong/Madlife's tower, I nearly spat out my coffee.
PaniaoftheReef in Path of Exile TotA SSF SC // Lovelin fanclub // GreenTea #1
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
October 14 2012 06:59 GMT
#16926
most amazing thing was the production of the event. i never thought i'd see an event top an OSL/MSL. to me this is the day that esports have made an impact in the US.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2338 Posts
October 14 2012 07:00 GMT
#16927
On October 14 2012 15:05 Sufficiency wrote:
Fuck. This is M5 vs TPA all over again. I watched the first game, thought TPA did not stand a chance, and ignored the rest of the set.


IMO TPA looked way better G1, they simply got outpicked for team fighting.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 07:03:49
October 14 2012 07:03 GMT
#16928
On October 14 2012 16:00 foxmeep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 15:05 Sufficiency wrote:
Fuck. This is M5 vs TPA all over again. I watched the first game, thought TPA did not stand a chance, and ignored the rest of the set.


IMO TPA looked way better G1, they simply got outpicked for team fighting.

I dont think it was so much being outpicked, but more of TPA vastly underestimating the amount of damage RapidStar's Karthus was doing. By the time they realized that Rapidstar's Karthus was by no means irrelevant, they already fed him a quadra.

I know it's a bit of a fanboy-ing cop-out when I say this, but honestly, TPA threw Game 1.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 14 2012 07:07 GMT
#16929
I wouldn't say TPA threw game1, so much as they didn't play it out correctly. Throwing it would imply they were doing something substantially wrong, that costed them. It was more that they didn't do something right. There are a couple ways of dealing with AoE comps like that. Split push all fucking day, Try and pick one of the major AoE damage contributers off before engaging, or engage as often as possible, and win the teamfights that they don't have their ulti's.

It was okay, Toyz picked up Karthus, and showed rapidstar "hey pressing r isn't so hard after all"
liftlift > tsm
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 07:14:35
October 14 2012 07:11 GMT
#16930
TPA overestimated how far they were ahead and underestimated the power of 5 seconds of stun and AOE nukes/ auras.

Toyz shat on Karthus so hard that they probably thought he was irrelevant. Two or three of the teamfights were ridiculously close, and one or two more hits to 3 members of Frost would have ended up with an incredibly fed Vayne steamrolling through.

It was a mistake a lot of people could have made.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 14 2012 07:16 GMT
#16931
there was 1 fight where toyz on anivia was being focused (correctly) by the enemy team at the start of the fight, this was at dragon when TPA had the lead and looked dominant up until this point
lilballz on maokai was right next to him, and when toyz was at about 30% ballz got lulu ulted rather than toyz
im fairly certain this was a mistake by mistake (hue) - if mistake's goal was to chaincc the enemy with a knockup, an ult on toyz would have achieved the same effect as they were standing right next to each other and ballz was relatively high hp (80-60%) on a tankier and less dps - valuable champ

as a result anivia got egged very early in the fight and got very few ticks of her ult off, imo that would have made the difference - if TPA could maintain that advantage i think they could continue to win teamfights if they chose locations better (slightly more contained teamfight areas, where anivia and vayne excel)
Hey! Listen!
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 14 2012 07:18 GMT
#16932
congrats CLG.NA season 2 champions
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 14 2012 07:19 GMT
#16933
On October 14 2012 15:37 ticklishmusic wrote:
THEYRE ALL TOO FUCKIN GOOD

there's no way to outpick tpa it seems. their players are just too good with too many champs.


i dont think that TPA has too wide of a champion pool on many of their players (that can be played at a competitive level) except for perhaps stanley - toyz in particular seems most comfortable picking orianna, anivia, karthus [morgana, not seen in this tourney] (in that order)
but wasting 3 bans on any given player leaves too many options open to the enemy team to pick around
Hey! Listen!
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 14 2012 07:19 GMT
#16934
On October 14 2012 16:18 zulu_nation8 wrote:
congrats CLG.NA season 2 champions

Did they get purple side?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
October 14 2012 07:21 GMT
#16935
i blame yango
GANDHISAUCE
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
October 14 2012 07:21 GMT
#16936
2 hours later, I am still sad that Frost lost
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
October 14 2012 07:25 GMT
#16937
On October 14 2012 16:16 Navi wrote:
there was 1 fight where toyz on anivia was being focused (correctly) by the enemy team at the start of the fight, this was at dragon when TPA had the lead and looked dominant up until this point
lilballz on maokai was right next to him, and when toyz was at about 30% ballz got lulu ulted rather than toyz
im fairly certain this was a mistake by mistake (hue) - if mistake's goal was to chaincc the enemy with a knockup, an ult on toyz would have achieved the same effect as they were standing right next to each other and ballz was relatively high hp (80-60%) on a tankier and less dps - valuable champ

as a result anivia got egged very early in the fight and got very few ticks of her ult off, imo that would have made the difference - if TPA could maintain that advantage i think they could continue to win teamfights if they chose locations better (slightly more contained teamfight areas, where anivia and vayne excel)

Everyone on TPA made huge mistakes in the first game, but Bebe was the most glaring IMO. Questionable item build and target firing. I was really really surprised he went for IE and a second zeal when the enemy were full of divers who would like nothing better than to get into your face.

Also interesting that Shy didn't pick Irelia other than the first game. He must not be confident on it.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
October 14 2012 07:27 GMT
#16938
There no way to get the code for whatever reward thing? i missed the finals sadly
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 14 2012 07:28 GMT
#16939
On October 14 2012 16:25 Kavas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2012 16:16 Navi wrote:
there was 1 fight where toyz on anivia was being focused (correctly) by the enemy team at the start of the fight, this was at dragon when TPA had the lead and looked dominant up until this point
lilballz on maokai was right next to him, and when toyz was at about 30% ballz got lulu ulted rather than toyz
im fairly certain this was a mistake by mistake (hue) - if mistake's goal was to chaincc the enemy with a knockup, an ult on toyz would have achieved the same effect as they were standing right next to each other and ballz was relatively high hp (80-60%) on a tankier and less dps - valuable champ

as a result anivia got egged very early in the fight and got very few ticks of her ult off, imo that would have made the difference - if TPA could maintain that advantage i think they could continue to win teamfights if they chose locations better (slightly more contained teamfight areas, where anivia and vayne excel)

Everyone on TPA made huge mistakes in the first game, but Bebe was the most glaring IMO. Questionable item build and target firing. I was really really surprised he went for IE and a second zeal when the enemy were full of divers who would like nothing better than to get into your face.

Also interesting that Shy didn't pick Irelia other than the first game. He must not be confident on it.

Really? I personally thought Toyz played the worst in that game. He was atrociously positioned in basically every single fight but one. He would get egged or outright killed at the beginning of every fight that game and honestly that was what really caused them to lose imo.

Bebe with his questionable item build didn't help, but by the time he was building his second PD the game was already tilted in AZF's favor pretty heavily since Rapidstar pressing R did like 40~50% of TPA's carries' hp.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-14 07:29:11
October 14 2012 07:29 GMT
#16940
On October 14 2012 16:27 arb wrote:
There no way to get the code for whatever reward thing? i missed the finals sadly

go to: bit.ly/lolriven

the code is : 521337
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