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Fair warning to all.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14105 Posts
October 09 2012 14:34 GMT
#12141
On October 09 2012 23:30 ihasaKAROT wrote:
What has the world come to when 'facts' are being based on what post has more upvotes...


Welcome to the world of reddit.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 09 2012 14:36 GMT
#12142
How the fuck did TSM know Frost cheated? Unless they were looking at them, which is breaking the rules and possibly looking at the minimap there's no way for TSM to have known Frost looked at the minimap.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22282 Posts
October 09 2012 14:54 GMT
#12143
On October 09 2012 23:36 JackDino wrote:
How the fuck did TSM know Frost cheated? Unless they were looking at them, which is breaking the rules and possibly looking at the minimap there's no way for TSM to have known Frost looked at the minimap.


Welcome to the hypocrisy. Fact is the teams that advanced all did so on there own merrit. TSM got stomped and would have been stomped.
I for one am just looking forward to the rest of the games and not caring about this whole "cheating" thing.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 15:24:37
October 09 2012 15:17 GMT
#12144
On October 09 2012 23:24 jpak wrote:
The first priority of any competition should be that the integrity of the competition is not compromised.

Once that fails, all fail.

The fact that these accusations are even being flung around is a testament to Riot failing to prioritize correctly.


Yes the integrity of this LoL S2 competitions has been compromised and the way Riot handled this isn't pretty either.

Now there are so many controversies about the cheating(Frost vs TSM) in this 1MIL$$$$ tournament.

Also, there was internet issues.......

More importantly, there will be no LIVE AUDIENCE FOR THE GRAND FINALS to prevent those potential visibility of the mini-map by the players.A grand final without a live audience in Riot 1mil$ premier tournament is honestly a really bad joke.

Riot...Riot....Riot.Maybe the next season tournament will be better but TI2 outclasses in every aspect(client,live audience,casters,production,etc) than Riot S2 World Championship.

Frost and Najin Sword are my favorite team so i hope Frost can take it.
I really hope people will stop saying that Frost is cheating.

If Frost wins the finals, i am expecting huge backlash by the NA community.
They will probably to find ways to delegitimize Frost win.
Play your best
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2670 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 15:24:27
October 09 2012 15:24 GMT
#12145
On October 10 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 23:24 jpak wrote:
The first priority of any competition should be that the integrity of the competition is not compromised.

Once that fails, all fail.

The fact that these accusations are even being flung around is a testament to Riot failing to prioritize correctly.


More importantly, there will be no LIVE AUDIENCE FOR THE GRAND FINALS to prevent those potential visibility of the mini-map by the players.A grand final without a live audience in Riot 1mil$ premier tournament is honestly a really bad joke.


Source for this? I haven't heard anything suggesting that was going to be the case.
Liquipedia"I was seriously looking for a black guy" - MrHoon
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
October 09 2012 15:25 GMT
#12146
On October 10 2012 00:24 Flicky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:
On October 09 2012 23:24 jpak wrote:
The first priority of any competition should be that the integrity of the competition is not compromised.

Once that fails, all fail.

The fact that these accusations are even being flung around is a testament to Riot failing to prioritize correctly.


More importantly, there will be no LIVE AUDIENCE FOR THE GRAND FINALS to prevent those potential visibility of the mini-map by the players.A grand final without a live audience in Riot 1mil$ premier tournament is honestly a really bad joke.


Source for this? I haven't heard anything suggesting that was going to be the case.


http://asia.gamespot.com/news/riot-addresses-issues-at-league-of-legends-playoffs-6397874
It's confirmed based on this article.
Play your best
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 09 2012 15:27 GMT
#12147
On October 10 2012 00:25 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 00:24 Flicky wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:
On October 09 2012 23:24 jpak wrote:
The first priority of any competition should be that the integrity of the competition is not compromised.

Once that fails, all fail.

The fact that these accusations are even being flung around is a testament to Riot failing to prioritize correctly.


More importantly, there will be no LIVE AUDIENCE FOR THE GRAND FINALS to prevent those potential visibility of the mini-map by the players.A grand final without a live audience in Riot 1mil$ premier tournament is honestly a really bad joke.


Source for this? I haven't heard anything suggesting that was going to be the case.


http://asia.gamespot.com/news/riot-addresses-issues-at-league-of-legends-playoffs-6397874
It's confirmed based on this article.


Except the finals aren't tomorrow. They're merely finishing the playoff bracket.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 15:29:53
October 09 2012 15:29 GMT
#12148
On October 10 2012 00:27 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 00:25 FakeDeath wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:24 Flicky wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:
On October 09 2012 23:24 jpak wrote:
The first priority of any competition should be that the integrity of the competition is not compromised.

Once that fails, all fail.

The fact that these accusations are even being flung around is a testament to Riot failing to prioritize correctly.


More importantly, there will be no LIVE AUDIENCE FOR THE GRAND FINALS to prevent those potential visibility of the mini-map by the players.A grand final without a live audience in Riot 1mil$ premier tournament is honestly a really bad joke.


Source for this? I haven't heard anything suggesting that was going to be the case.


http://asia.gamespot.com/news/riot-addresses-issues-at-league-of-legends-playoffs-6397874
It's confirmed based on this article.


Except the finals aren't tomorrow. They're merely finishing the playoff bracket.


Yeah ,my mistake the finals will be taking in another venue it seems.
But the quarter finals won't be live.
Play your best
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 15:31:46
October 09 2012 15:31 GMT
#12149
On October 10 2012 00:29 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 00:27 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:25 FakeDeath wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:24 Flicky wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:17 FakeDeath wrote:
On October 09 2012 23:24 jpak wrote:
The first priority of any competition should be that the integrity of the competition is not compromised.

Once that fails, all fail.

The fact that these accusations are even being flung around is a testament to Riot failing to prioritize correctly.


More importantly, there will be no LIVE AUDIENCE FOR THE GRAND FINALS to prevent those potential visibility of the mini-map by the players.A grand final without a live audience in Riot 1mil$ premier tournament is honestly a really bad joke.


Source for this? I haven't heard anything suggesting that was going to be the case.


http://asia.gamespot.com/news/riot-addresses-issues-at-league-of-legends-playoffs-6397874
It's confirmed based on this article.


Except the finals aren't tomorrow. They're merely finishing the playoff bracket.


Yeah ,my mistake the finals will be taking in another venue it seems.
But the quarter finals won't be live.


The semifinals won't have a live audience either, but the grand finals will indeed have a live audience.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Implenia
Profile Joined August 2012
Austria3846 Posts
October 09 2012 15:36 GMT
#12150
On October 09 2012 18:27 Keniji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 15:30 Curu wrote:
With that in mind they need to curb their passive aggressive (and sometimes downright aggressive) attacks on the other games in the genre and focus on getting their own stuff right first. I don't know if all that crap stems from someone like Pendragon (who has a history of such bullshit) or if it's a company-wide thing but they really should stop looking at putting down other people's games and get their own stuff in order.


What are they doing? This stuff came up all the time in the dota 2 vs riot thread in the dota 2 forum as well. I have never read something from riot that aggressively or even passive aggressively attacked dota2/valve. I mean, I just play the game sometimes and watch the big tournaments so I don't know that's why I'm honestly asking what riot is actually doing?

Mostly the fact that Riot was trying to force the S3 teams to drop their Dota / Hon teams. Besides the tournament exclusivity thing (no dota / hon) with IEM and MLG.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14105 Posts
October 09 2012 15:38 GMT
#12151
On October 10 2012 00:36 Implenia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2012 18:27 Keniji wrote:
On October 09 2012 15:30 Curu wrote:
With that in mind they need to curb their passive aggressive (and sometimes downright aggressive) attacks on the other games in the genre and focus on getting their own stuff right first. I don't know if all that crap stems from someone like Pendragon (who has a history of such bullshit) or if it's a company-wide thing but they really should stop looking at putting down other people's games and get their own stuff in order.


What are they doing? This stuff came up all the time in the dota 2 vs riot thread in the dota 2 forum as well. I have never read something from riot that aggressively or even passive aggressively attacked dota2/valve. I mean, I just play the game sometimes and watch the big tournaments so I don't know that's why I'm honestly asking what riot is actually doing?

Mostly the fact that Riot was trying to force the S3 teams to drop their Dota / Hon teams. Besides the tournament exclusivity thing (no dota / hon) with IEM and MLG.


That was just an anti lol rumor that the dota community started you shouldn't put any stock into the gossip that comes from them.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 09 2012 15:41 GMT
#12152
On October 10 2012 00:38 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 00:36 Implenia wrote:
On October 09 2012 18:27 Keniji wrote:
On October 09 2012 15:30 Curu wrote:
With that in mind they need to curb their passive aggressive (and sometimes downright aggressive) attacks on the other games in the genre and focus on getting their own stuff right first. I don't know if all that crap stems from someone like Pendragon (who has a history of such bullshit) or if it's a company-wide thing but they really should stop looking at putting down other people's games and get their own stuff in order.


What are they doing? This stuff came up all the time in the dota 2 vs riot thread in the dota 2 forum as well. I have never read something from riot that aggressively or even passive aggressively attacked dota2/valve. I mean, I just play the game sometimes and watch the big tournaments so I don't know that's why I'm honestly asking what riot is actually doing?

Mostly the fact that Riot was trying to force the S3 teams to drop their Dota / Hon teams. Besides the tournament exclusivity thing (no dota / hon) with IEM and MLG.


That was just an anti lol rumor that the dota community started you shouldn't put any stock into the gossip that comes from them.

I thought there was a red post confirming that they considered it but never acted on it?
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 09 2012 15:46 GMT
#12153
On October 10 2012 00:41 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 00:38 Sermokala wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:36 Implenia wrote:
On October 09 2012 18:27 Keniji wrote:
On October 09 2012 15:30 Curu wrote:
With that in mind they need to curb their passive aggressive (and sometimes downright aggressive) attacks on the other games in the genre and focus on getting their own stuff right first. I don't know if all that crap stems from someone like Pendragon (who has a history of such bullshit) or if it's a company-wide thing but they really should stop looking at putting down other people's games and get their own stuff in order.


What are they doing? This stuff came up all the time in the dota 2 vs riot thread in the dota 2 forum as well. I have never read something from riot that aggressively or even passive aggressively attacked dota2/valve. I mean, I just play the game sometimes and watch the big tournaments so I don't know that's why I'm honestly asking what riot is actually doing?

Mostly the fact that Riot was trying to force the S3 teams to drop their Dota / Hon teams. Besides the tournament exclusivity thing (no dota / hon) with IEM and MLG.


That was just an anti lol rumor that the dota community started you shouldn't put any stock into the gossip that comes from them.

I thought there was a red post confirming that they considered it but never acted on it?


Along with a bunch of team owners confirming that it was under discussion and they shat on it forcing Riot to not go through with it.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Kronen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States732 Posts
October 09 2012 15:56 GMT
#12154
On October 10 2012 00:38 Sermokala wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 00:36 Implenia wrote:
On October 09 2012 18:27 Keniji wrote:
On October 09 2012 15:30 Curu wrote:
With that in mind they need to curb their passive aggressive (and sometimes downright aggressive) attacks on the other games in the genre and focus on getting their own stuff right first. I don't know if all that crap stems from someone like Pendragon (who has a history of such bullshit) or if it's a company-wide thing but they really should stop looking at putting down other people's games and get their own stuff in order.


What are they doing? This stuff came up all the time in the dota 2 vs riot thread in the dota 2 forum as well. I have never read something from riot that aggressively or even passive aggressively attacked dota2/valve. I mean, I just play the game sometimes and watch the big tournaments so I don't know that's why I'm honestly asking what riot is actually doing?

Mostly the fact that Riot was trying to force the S3 teams to drop their Dota / Hon teams. Besides the tournament exclusivity thing (no dota / hon) with IEM and MLG.


That was just an anti lol rumor that the dota community started you shouldn't put any stock into the gossip that comes from them.


This post was just an anti-dota rumor that the lol community started so you shouldn't put any stock into the gossip that comes from it.

Listen to scoots and the professionals, not the hack crisis management team at Riot.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 09 2012 15:59 GMT
#12155
it was a rumour that incontrol started lol
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
October 09 2012 16:01 GMT
#12156
I'm sure Incontrol and scoots are the first people to be informed about anything happening at Riot/LoL.

Now stop derailing this thread with your OT
A backwards poet writes inverse.
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
October 09 2012 16:02 GMT
#12157
I thought everyone was over that whole incident already, but apparently not.
CJ Entusman #50! #1 클템 fan TL!
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
October 09 2012 16:03 GMT
#12158
On October 10 2012 00:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 00:41 TheYango wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:38 Sermokala wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:36 Implenia wrote:
On October 09 2012 18:27 Keniji wrote:
On October 09 2012 15:30 Curu wrote:
With that in mind they need to curb their passive aggressive (and sometimes downright aggressive) attacks on the other games in the genre and focus on getting their own stuff right first. I don't know if all that crap stems from someone like Pendragon (who has a history of such bullshit) or if it's a company-wide thing but they really should stop looking at putting down other people's games and get their own stuff in order.


What are they doing? This stuff came up all the time in the dota 2 vs riot thread in the dota 2 forum as well. I have never read something from riot that aggressively or even passive aggressively attacked dota2/valve. I mean, I just play the game sometimes and watch the big tournaments so I don't know that's why I'm honestly asking what riot is actually doing?

Mostly the fact that Riot was trying to force the S3 teams to drop their Dota / Hon teams. Besides the tournament exclusivity thing (no dota / hon) with IEM and MLG.


That was just an anti lol rumor that the dota community started you shouldn't put any stock into the gossip that comes from them.

I thought there was a red post confirming that they considered it but never acted on it?


Along with a bunch of team owners confirming that it was under discussion and they shat on it forcing Riot to not go through with it.

There was no red post confirming that they ever considered it. The only post that was made, stated that teams were free to have other squads in the same genre (Dota, Hon, etc.).

Not a single person that allegedly discussed with Riot ever came forward and confirmed such discussions. SirScoots has claimed that discussions took place but he also stated that he himself wasn't involved in them directly. There was someone else from another team that also said, that he heard about these rumors, but again not first-hand knowledge.

I would also like to ask what this has to do with the world finals of S2? I mean seriously, can we please just stick with the finals and not rehash old rumors.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
October 09 2012 16:06 GMT
#12159
On October 10 2012 01:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm sure Incontrol and scoots are the first people to be informed about anything happening at Riot/LoL.

Now stop derailing this thread with your OT




at this point, an OT discussion is more welcome that the 20th iteration of "did azubu frost cheat?".
lets just get over it, riot cant act anyways since they abolutely cant be sure that the other teams didnt cheat on stream as well. Then someone finds it and they have to use the same punishment to the other teams.

This is the sad truth, everyone might have cheated and riot cant do anything or they might have no players left to play on sunday.
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
October 09 2012 16:11 GMT
#12160
On October 10 2012 01:06 LaNague wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 01:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm sure Incontrol and scoots are the first people to be informed about anything happening at Riot/LoL.

Now stop derailing this thread with your OT




at this point, an OT discussion is more welcome that the 20th iteration of "did azubu frost cheat?".
lets just get over it, riot cant act anyways since they abolutely cant be sure that the other teams didnt cheat on stream as well. Then someone finds it and they have to use the same punishment to the other teams.

This is the sad truth, everyone might have cheated and riot cant do anything or they might have no players left to play on sunday.


Yeah lets move on.

Who thinks benefits more from a fresh Bo3, WE or CLG.eu. I would say CLG.eu because I had the feeling that they were getting better and better in drawing out the games to a point where they could teamfight and beat WE. Without disconnects I think WE would have just won the first two games but now I think CLG.eu is slightly favored.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
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