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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.

Fair warning to all.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 09 2012 17:45 GMT
#12181
On October 10 2012 02:01 WhiteDog wrote:
Also Wickd said in his AMA that WE were up early in the morning to practice, which is why CLG.EU decided to drag game a lot, because they knew they were getting really tired and frustrated from the internet problem, while CLG.eu singed and talked to keep a good team cohesion.

It's also helped by the fact that the crowd was visibly more supportive of CLG.Eu.

Honestly, this is another one of the problems I have with the booth-less venue and the "crowd interaction" argument. It's a western crowd--they will be VASTLY more supportive of the Western teams (this should have been clear to anyone from the vastly louder cheers for M5 and TSM on day 2). Exposing teams to crowd interaction is exposing them to the crowd bias--which will have a noticeable effect on teams' morale, and therefore, the outcome of the game. You can't blame the crowd for preferring their home teams, but setting up the venue in such a way that exposes the teams to that so directly isn't fair.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 17:48:29
October 09 2012 17:47 GMT
#12182
it's fair if there's tournaments in Korea/China too. We don't ask the crowd at Rexall to hush so other NHL teams feel comfortable in Oil country.

on the other hand, you can't ear hack in hockey lol
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 17:51:09
October 09 2012 17:48 GMT
#12183
they have to fit in a potential 9 matches starting at 5pm tomorrow?
hmm

good luck with that, haha.


they could start at 1 so EU can watch SOME games, too.




but steve, in those leagues there are always 2 games, one home and one guest, no?
this tournament with the single big price for the season is all US.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 17:50:26
October 09 2012 17:49 GMT
#12184
On October 10 2012 02:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
it's fair if there's tournaments in Korea/China too. We don't ask the crowd at Rexall to hush so other NHL teams feel comfortable in Oil country.

on the other hand, you can't ear hack in hockey lol


There is only one $2mil comp in LoL currently so can't really say it's fair if there's other tournaments i n korea/china if well there aren't any Anyway not like it matters, the asians seem to be doing fine while being up against it.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 09 2012 17:50 GMT
#12185
On October 10 2012 02:47 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
it's fair if there's tournaments in Korea/China too. We don't ask the crowd at Rexall to hush so other NHL teams feel comfortable in Oil country.

on the other hand, you can't ear hack in hockey lol

It's unlikely that Riot is going to change the location of World's every year though.
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nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
October 09 2012 18:05 GMT
#12186
is WE vs CLG new BO3 on Wednesday?
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 09 2012 18:14 GMT
#12187
"Day 3" meaning last Quarterfinal and Semis is on Wednesday.
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nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
October 09 2012 18:17 GMT
#12188
so a fresh BO3, start with 0-0, and not 1-1?
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 09 2012 18:24 GMT
#12189
On October 10 2012 03:05 nosliw wrote:
is WE vs CLG new BO3 on Wednesday?

Yep
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 09 2012 18:24 GMT
#12190
Fresh Bo3.
Will be played at Galen.
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O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 18:41:25
October 09 2012 18:40 GMT
#12191
On October 10 2012 02:24 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 02:20 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 10 2012 02:12 Numy wrote:
I don't think you should believe everything someone says in an AMA. I doubt any team would consciously make the decision to throw away an advantage by not finishing a game and instead stall it out because the other team "was getting tired and frustrated". If they won that game none of this would have been an issue(well some of it would have been at least).

Some tennis players do this, knowing that they can physically exhaust the opponent. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility imo.


Ye but this is a million dollar tournament for people who aren't used to this kind of pressure. I don't know if CLG had the nerves and clear thinking to actually do something like that I'd be more than surprised. It just looked like they were afraid of committing a mistake so rather wanted WE to commit a mistake by doing a bad engagement.


It's not like EU has been dragging out every game they've played in every tourney they were in since their formation as a team or anything. This ain't no new strat they came up with, they've been doing this forever. They had the mental fortitude to go with it.
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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 18:53:17
October 09 2012 18:46 GMT
#12192
On October 10 2012 02:45 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 02:01 WhiteDog wrote:
Also Wickd said in his AMA that WE were up early in the morning to practice, which is why CLG.EU decided to drag game a lot, because they knew they were getting really tired and frustrated from the internet problem, while CLG.eu singed and talked to keep a good team cohesion.

It's also helped by the fact that the crowd was visibly more supportive of CLG.Eu.

Honestly, this is another one of the problems I have with the booth-less venue and the "crowd interaction" argument. It's a western crowd--they will be VASTLY more supportive of the Western teams (this should have been clear to anyone from the vastly louder cheers for M5 and TSM on day 2). Exposing teams to crowd interaction is exposing them to the crowd bias--which will have a noticeable effect on teams' morale, and therefore, the outcome of the game. You can't blame the crowd for preferring their home teams, but setting up the venue in such a way that exposes the teams to that so directly isn't fair.

It's too easy to just say : "well it's biased cauz the public prefer that team and that team".

In SC1, people just loved a lot of koreans players, and in SC2 we see the same situation. If WE or any asian team wants to be supported, then they just have to build up some character, interact with the public, shows who they are, just like maknoon is doing. The fact that they are chineses or koreans does not necessarily mean that they will never be supported.

People cry jaedong in SC2 tournament even when he is not there.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4168 Posts
October 09 2012 19:23 GMT
#12193
On October 10 2012 03:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Fresh Bo3.
Will be played at Galen.

I dont like this, the only thing I considered good in that fiasco was the thought that they will have only one game and the winner won't be at such disadvantage for the semi, now not even this
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
October 09 2012 19:26 GMT
#12194
On October 10 2012 04:23 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 03:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Fresh Bo3.
Will be played at Galen.

I dont like this, the only thing I considered good in that fiasco was the thought that they will have only one game and the winner won't be at such disadvantage for the semi, now not even this

It's no different from the previous set up assuming the internet hadn't shit itself.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
October 09 2012 19:30 GMT
#12195
Asian teams could be popular here...

The problem is, we can tap TSM, CLG, Dig on streams and get instant access to them, who they are, how they play, self-commentary.

With Asian/Korean teams we don't have the same coverage as we did for BW. OGN is free for the live stream but you have to pay for VODs. And with BW we had a slew of articles, talking from anything to analyzing the latest match to random translations of interviews to a player's personal history. The closest we got to decent coverage from an Asian team was the Singapore Sentinels video.

(I know nothing about SC2 and prefer to leave it that way.)
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
October 09 2012 19:37 GMT
#12196
On October 10 2012 03:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Fresh Bo3.
Will be played at Galen.

Does this mean it will be a live audiance? Oo I might still be able to watch live?
washed
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 09 2012 19:40 GMT
#12197
tomorrow we vs clg.eu and the semis will be streamed live on twitch and own3d with NO live audience

finals will be in the arena as planned.
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 19:45:35
October 09 2012 19:44 GMT
#12198
Sorry to double post, but for coverage of the Korean teams I used to go to the azubu page, but I agree there is a slight lack of coverage. For china you need to know chinese pretty much, same for korea. Taiwan and SEA have Garena so there should be some english info there.

Thanks for explaining AsnSensation
washed
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 19:45:58
October 09 2012 19:45 GMT
#12199
What's the justification for discounting game 1 of WE vs CLG?
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
October 09 2012 19:49 GMT
#12200
They should start at 12 like the normal schedule :/ 2AM for Europe...
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