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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.

Fair warning to all.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
October 09 2012 19:50 GMT
#12201
On October 10 2012 04:23 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 03:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Fresh Bo3.
Will be played at Galen.

I dont like this, the only thing I considered good in that fiasco was the thought that they will have only one game and the winner won't be at such disadvantage for the semi, now not even this


Both teams agreed to it.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
October 09 2012 20:30 GMT
#12202
There are definitely going to be some downsides to have all the teams on Riot's payroll. Time to make myself a new tinfoil hat for Season 3.
fantasticoranges
Profile Joined July 2011
1327 Posts
October 09 2012 20:43 GMT
#12203
On October 10 2012 02:45 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 02:01 WhiteDog wrote:
Also Wickd said in his AMA that WE were up early in the morning to practice, which is why CLG.EU decided to drag game a lot, because they knew they were getting really tired and frustrated from the internet problem, while CLG.eu singed and talked to keep a good team cohesion.

It's also helped by the fact that the crowd was visibly more supportive of CLG.Eu.

Honestly, this is another one of the problems I have with the booth-less venue and the "crowd interaction" argument. It's a western crowd--they will be VASTLY more supportive of the Western teams (this should have been clear to anyone from the vastly louder cheers for M5 and TSM on day 2). Exposing teams to crowd interaction is exposing them to the crowd bias--which will have a noticeable effect on teams' morale, and therefore, the outcome of the game. You can't blame the crowd for preferring their home teams, but setting up the venue in such a way that exposes the teams to that so directly isn't fair.


I honestly doubt that's it, we (as in the western crowd) are a lot more used to seeing clg.eu play.

I'm fairly certain that when M5 first came out, they weren't too well known over here, but now that they've won multiple tourney's and made a name for themselves, they have a large fan base. Once the asian teams start playing in more games, once they start winning tournaments, people will start cheering for them too.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 09 2012 20:45 GMT
#12204
On October 10 2012 04:23 M2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 03:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Fresh Bo3.
Will be played at Galen.

I dont like this, the only thing I considered good in that fiasco was the thought that they will have only one game and the winner won't be at such disadvantage for the semi, now not even this


They get a break during the M5 vs TPA game. Plus the winner is going into the next series fresh off a win with their spirits probably pretty high whereas Frost will be coming in cold. And besides both WE and CLGeu have been to LANs where they play way more than two bo3 in a single day. It sucks that it works out that way but I don't think it's only disadvantages (although the cons likely outweigh the pros).

On October 10 2012 04:49 Sableyeah wrote:
They should start at 12 like the normal schedule :/ 2AM for Europe...


Riot already said that 5 PM was as early as they could start doing this. AFAIK, they don't even get the venue until Wednesday when they'll be spending a ton of time setting up for Saturday. The games are going to all take place in some random back room, which they'll have to set up during the day while also trying to get set up for the weekend.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
October 09 2012 20:49 GMT
#12205
Yes it would take so long for an army of technical engineers to set up 10 PC's...well, in a tournament world maybe.

How many of us can packup, move and setup our PC's in under 10 minutes?

Hell..who can strip, clean and rebuild it in under an hour?

But hey, let them spend 5 hours setting up 10 PC's why dont we ^_^ or maybe the players are diva's, MY DPI IS NOT 2599, IT IS 2600, BY THE GODS I REFUSE TO PLAY!

We'll never know :o
Useless wet fish.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 09 2012 21:01 GMT
#12206
On October 10 2012 05:49 Capped wrote:
Yes it would take so long for an army of technical engineers to set up 10 PC's...well, in a tournament world maybe.

How many of us can packup, move and setup our PC's in under 10 minutes?

Hell..who can strip, clean and rebuild it in under an hour?

But hey, let them spend 5 hours setting up 10 PC's why dont we ^_^ or maybe the players are diva's, MY DPI IS NOT 2599, IT IS 2600, BY THE GODS I REFUSE TO PLAY!

We'll never know :o


You don't know what time they get the venue. They might not get the venue until 12 PM or later. And after what happened on Saturday they're not just gonna set up ten PCs, get the casters set up, and then jump into it and just hope that they don't have hardware failures and/or internet connectivity issues. If I was Riot I'd probably want to spend a few hours ensuring that everything is stable and that issues like what happened on Saturday won't happen again.
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
October 09 2012 21:45 GMT
#12207
On October 10 2012 05:49 Capped wrote:
Yes it would take so long for an army of technical engineers to set up 10 PC's...well, in a tournament world maybe.

How many of us can packup, move and setup our PC's in under 10 minutes?

Hell..who can strip, clean and rebuild it in under an hour?

But hey, let them spend 5 hours setting up 10 PC's why dont we ^_^ or maybe the players are diva's, MY DPI IS NOT 2599, IT IS 2600, BY THE GODS I REFUSE TO PLAY!

We'll never know :o

It's not 10 PCs they need to set up. They are planning to stream this live, there is a lot more to do than just hook up 10 PCs and then press play lol.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
October 09 2012 22:11 GMT
#12208
On October 10 2012 04:49 Sableyeah wrote:
They should start at 12 like the normal schedule :/ 2AM for Europe...

By doing that they would lose a lot the NA audience to work/school since it's on a weekday. In either scenario one region would get screwed.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 09 2012 22:16 GMT
#12209
On October 10 2012 06:01 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 05:49 Capped wrote:
Yes it would take so long for an army of technical engineers to set up 10 PC's...well, in a tournament world maybe.

How many of us can packup, move and setup our PC's in under 10 minutes?

Hell..who can strip, clean and rebuild it in under an hour?

But hey, let them spend 5 hours setting up 10 PC's why dont we ^_^ or maybe the players are diva's, MY DPI IS NOT 2599, IT IS 2600, BY THE GODS I REFUSE TO PLAY!

We'll never know :o


You don't know what time they get the venue. They might not get the venue until 12 PM or later. And after what happened on Saturday they're not just gonna set up ten PCs, get the casters set up, and then jump into it and just hope that they don't have hardware failures and/or internet connectivity issues. If I was Riot I'd probably want to spend a few hours ensuring that everything is stable and that issues like what happened on Saturday won't happen again.

I don't know why you would just reserve the venue just for the day of.
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Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 22:54:14
October 09 2012 22:53 GMT
#12210
On October 10 2012 05:45 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 04:23 M2 wrote:
On October 10 2012 03:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Fresh Bo3.
Will be played at Galen.

I dont like this, the only thing I considered good in that fiasco was the thought that they will have only one game and the winner won't be at such disadvantage for the semi, now not even this


They get a break during the M5 vs TPA game. Plus the winner is going into the next series fresh off a win with their spirits probably pretty high whereas Frost will be coming in cold. And besides both WE and CLGeu have been to LANs where they play way more than two bo3 in a single day. It sucks that it works out that way but I don't think it's only disadvantages (although the cons likely outweigh the pros).

Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 04:49 Sableyeah wrote:
They should start at 12 like the normal schedule :/ 2AM for Europe...


Riot already said that 5 PM was as early as they could start doing this. AFAIK, they don't even get the venue until Wednesday when they'll be spending a ton of time setting up for Saturday. The games are going to all take place in some random back room, which they'll have to set up during the day while also trying to get set up for the weekend.

I see what you did there.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 00:03:53
October 09 2012 23:57 GMT
#12211
Well clg vs we is not a fresh bo3

http://www.facebook.com/Yellowpete.LoL/posts/439828486062806

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2655300&page=120
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
October 10 2012 00:01 GMT
#12212
On October 10 2012 05:43 fantasticoranges wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 02:45 TheYango wrote:
On October 10 2012 02:01 WhiteDog wrote:
Also Wickd said in his AMA that WE were up early in the morning to practice, which is why CLG.EU decided to drag game a lot, because they knew they were getting really tired and frustrated from the internet problem, while CLG.eu singed and talked to keep a good team cohesion.

It's also helped by the fact that the crowd was visibly more supportive of CLG.Eu.

Honestly, this is another one of the problems I have with the booth-less venue and the "crowd interaction" argument. It's a western crowd--they will be VASTLY more supportive of the Western teams (this should have been clear to anyone from the vastly louder cheers for M5 and TSM on day 2). Exposing teams to crowd interaction is exposing them to the crowd bias--which will have a noticeable effect on teams' morale, and therefore, the outcome of the game. You can't blame the crowd for preferring their home teams, but setting up the venue in such a way that exposes the teams to that so directly isn't fair.


I honestly doubt that's it, we (as in the western crowd) are a lot more used to seeing clg.eu play.

I'm fairly certain that when M5 first came out, they weren't too well known over here, but now that they've won multiple tourney's and made a name for themselves, they have a large fan base. Once the asian teams start playing in more games, once they start winning tournaments, people will start cheering for them too.

I'm not sure how crowd bias matters anyways. Pro sports teams play in hostile stadiums all the time (huehue Yankees at a Fenway game), the World Cup has even crazier crowds, and even the Olympics are held in a single country that obviously gets crowd advantage. None of this has hurt major sports except when mobs of fans start rioting... which is hardly a threat for the esports scene atm.

There *are* issues with going boothless (team communication, crowd reaction leaking information, and now screen hacking HAH) but protecting feelings isn't one of them.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
October 10 2012 00:02 GMT
#12213
On October 10 2012 08:57 nojitosunrise wrote:
Well clg vs we is not a fresh bo3

http://www.facebook.com/Yellowpete.LoL/posts/439828486062806


so only the last game? its really not easy to get any real information about this....
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 10 2012 00:16 GMT
#12214
So wait, is the allegations against azubu hold any water? or is it mostly bullshit?
liftlift > tsm
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
October 10 2012 00:23 GMT
#12215
On October 10 2012 09:02 DODswe4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 08:57 nojitosunrise wrote:
Well clg vs we is not a fresh bo3

http://www.facebook.com/Yellowpete.LoL/posts/439828486062806


so only the last game? its really not easy to get any real information about this....

Yes from the sounds of it it will be a continuation of the bo3 between them. So 1-1. Curious if they have to use the same champions too. Either way, nice to see they have it rescheduled.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
October 10 2012 00:24 GMT
#12216
On October 10 2012 07:16 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 06:01 overt wrote:
On October 10 2012 05:49 Capped wrote:
Yes it would take so long for an army of technical engineers to set up 10 PC's...well, in a tournament world maybe.

How many of us can packup, move and setup our PC's in under 10 minutes?

Hell..who can strip, clean and rebuild it in under an hour?

But hey, let them spend 5 hours setting up 10 PC's why dont we ^_^ or maybe the players are diva's, MY DPI IS NOT 2599, IT IS 2600, BY THE GODS I REFUSE TO PLAY!

We'll never know :o


You don't know what time they get the venue. They might not get the venue until 12 PM or later. And after what happened on Saturday they're not just gonna set up ten PCs, get the casters set up, and then jump into it and just hope that they don't have hardware failures and/or internet connectivity issues. If I was Riot I'd probably want to spend a few hours ensuring that everything is stable and that issues like what happened on Saturday won't happen again.

I don't know why you would just reserve the venue just for the day of.


My understanding is they have it Wednesday through Saturday, are setting up the stage, audio, etc on Wed-Fri and snuck the games they have to finish in on Wednesday.
triangle
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3803 Posts
October 10 2012 00:49 GMT
#12217
On October 10 2012 09:23 Irave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 09:02 DODswe4 wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:57 nojitosunrise wrote:
Well clg vs we is not a fresh bo3

http://www.facebook.com/Yellowpete.LoL/posts/439828486062806


so only the last game? its really not easy to get any real information about this....

Yes from the sounds of it it will be a continuation of the bo3 between them. So 1-1. Curious if they have to use the same champions too. Either way, nice to see they have it rescheduled.

The tweet implies completely new champion select, which should be interesting.

I want to see blind pick Anivia vs TF, but it won't happen :<
Also known as waterfall / w4terfall
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
October 10 2012 01:00 GMT
#12218
so CLG eu vs WE will be tomorrow and along with the rest of the semi?
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 10 2012 01:17 GMT
#12219
On October 10 2012 09:49 triangle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 09:23 Irave wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:02 DODswe4 wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:57 nojitosunrise wrote:
Well clg vs we is not a fresh bo3

http://www.facebook.com/Yellowpete.LoL/posts/439828486062806


so only the last game? its really not easy to get any real information about this....

Yes from the sounds of it it will be a continuation of the bo3 between them. So 1-1. Curious if they have to use the same champions too. Either way, nice to see they have it rescheduled.

The tweet implies completely new champion select, which should be interesting.

I want to see blind pick Anivia vs TF, but it won't happen :<


Or they could agree to an ARAM. :D
Hey! How you doin'?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 10 2012 01:20 GMT
#12220
On October 10 2012 10:17 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 09:49 triangle wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:23 Irave wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:02 DODswe4 wrote:
On October 10 2012 08:57 nojitosunrise wrote:
Well clg vs we is not a fresh bo3

http://www.facebook.com/Yellowpete.LoL/posts/439828486062806


so only the last game? its really not easy to get any real information about this....

Yes from the sounds of it it will be a continuation of the bo3 between them. So 1-1. Curious if they have to use the same champions too. Either way, nice to see they have it rescheduled.

The tweet implies completely new champion select, which should be interesting.

I want to see blind pick Anivia vs TF, but it won't happen :<


Or they could agree to an ARAM. :D

Because that wouldn't cause a shitstorm on the forums or anything
It's your boy Guzma!
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