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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance.

Fair warning to all.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 09 2012 16:16 GMT
#12161
It depends. WE clearly had the edge in the two games they had prepared strats for I think. After that it was a much more even affair but both teams were mentality broken at that stage I feel so it's hard to really to say. Think you still have to favour WE since they seem the team able to do more than CLG but at the same time it's possible CLG won't be such pussies next time and actually finish a game they have the lead on.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 09 2012 16:19 GMT
#12162
It's pretty clear that WE came in more prepared with how games 1 and 2 went. The question is whether the 3 extra days will let them bring that level of preparation again.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 09 2012 16:21 GMT
#12163
It seemed like the Blitz ban was kind of huge.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
October 09 2012 16:23 GMT
#12164
On October 07 2012 06:24 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 06:24 StateAlchemist wrote:
On October 07 2012 06:24 Kipsate wrote:
On October 07 2012 06:23 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 07 2012 06:22 TheYango wrote:
On October 07 2012 06:20 WilDMousE wrote:
game of WE vs CLG EU is needed. Same champs, runes, masteries and summoned spells. #LeagueofLegends #LoLWorlds #ggCWC




DAMMIT!

Should be a re-draft IMO.

Same champs is really dumb given how a lot of WE's advantage hinged on their lane arrangement.

The draft is PART OF THE GAME. If you're going to re-game, you have to re-game the whole thing. Riot needs to stop this attitude where they treat champion selection as some outside factor of the game.

I agree, needs to be re-draft.

I agree, their entire plan with the lane swapping was revealed.


maybe they ban blitz this time :D


lol that too

T.T
WriterXiao8~~
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 16:24:43
October 09 2012 16:23 GMT
#12165
On October 10 2012 01:11 BlueSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 01:06 LaNague wrote:
On October 10 2012 01:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm sure Incontrol and scoots are the first people to be informed about anything happening at Riot/LoL.

Now stop derailing this thread with your OT




at this point, an OT discussion is more welcome that the 20th iteration of "did azubu frost cheat?".
lets just get over it, riot cant act anyways since they abolutely cant be sure that the other teams didnt cheat on stream as well. Then someone finds it and they have to use the same punishment to the other teams.

This is the sad truth, everyone might have cheated and riot cant do anything or they might have no players left to play on sunday.


Yeah lets move on.

Who thinks benefits more from a fresh Bo3, WE or CLG.eu. I would say CLG.eu because I had the feeling that they were getting better and better in drawing out the games to a point where they could teamfight and beat WE. Without disconnects I think WE would have just won the first two games but now I think CLG.eu is slightly favored.


I feel WE is slightly better off if they can pick a midlate-game comp(yes I know this is against CLG.EU). Almost purely mechanics, but WX is hitting probably 10-15% CS more than yellowpete so there are windows where WX has 1/2/3 big items and yellowpete doesn't. Mid and top have been fairly even, but Snoopeh also isn't really a farming jungler, so as a result CLG enters midgame quite behind and playing catchup.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 16:27:15
October 09 2012 16:26 GMT
#12166
On October 10 2012 01:23 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2012 06:24 Kipsate wrote:
On October 07 2012 06:24 StateAlchemist wrote:
On October 07 2012 06:24 Kipsate wrote:
On October 07 2012 06:23 wei2coolman wrote:
On October 07 2012 06:22 TheYango wrote:
On October 07 2012 06:20 WilDMousE wrote:
game of WE vs CLG EU is needed. Same champs, runes, masteries and summoned spells. #LeagueofLegends #LoLWorlds #ggCWC




DAMMIT!

Should be a re-draft IMO.

Same champs is really dumb given how a lot of WE's advantage hinged on their lane arrangement.

The draft is PART OF THE GAME. If you're going to re-game, you have to re-game the whole thing. Riot needs to stop this attitude where they treat champion selection as some outside factor of the game.

I agree, needs to be re-draft.

I agree, their entire plan with the lane swapping was revealed.


maybe they ban blitz this time :D


lol that too

T.T


Way to make me feel bad for being late to the party! Anyway as Yango said all about if WE can prepare another plan. I feel like CLG doesn't seem to like plans other than give wicked and froggen while making pete have nothing so he gets shat on for trying to get something plan so it feels like it's WEs game to win/lose and not really CLGs but I could have the wrong impression.
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 16:37:47
October 09 2012 16:28 GMT
#12167
Spoilering because this might have been discussed
+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly tho, Oddone said in an interview that they practiced all season long for this. And then in another interview he was crying that "this lvl1 tactic was all we had prepared" This was a bit sad on TSM's side.


edit*
Give them a rematch BO9 and they'd still defeat TSM 0-5 AF ez.

And Riot could've easily put up a cover above their turning stage so it blocks both the annoying lights (on player's monitors) as well as the possibility to glance over to check map. And turn the stage so their background actually blocks the bigscreen eitherway.
Riot did not properly prevent fraud/cheat. Totally their bad for letting such controversies rise up
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 09 2012 16:29 GMT
#12168
That sounded kind of odd to me. How can you replay on getting first blood to win you a series oO
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 09 2012 16:30 GMT
#12169
On October 10 2012 01:23 Amui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 01:11 BlueSpace wrote:
On October 10 2012 01:06 LaNague wrote:
On October 10 2012 01:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm sure Incontrol and scoots are the first people to be informed about anything happening at Riot/LoL.

Now stop derailing this thread with your OT




at this point, an OT discussion is more welcome that the 20th iteration of "did azubu frost cheat?".
lets just get over it, riot cant act anyways since they abolutely cant be sure that the other teams didnt cheat on stream as well. Then someone finds it and they have to use the same punishment to the other teams.

This is the sad truth, everyone might have cheated and riot cant do anything or they might have no players left to play on sunday.


Yeah lets move on.

Who thinks benefits more from a fresh Bo3, WE or CLG.eu. I would say CLG.eu because I had the feeling that they were getting better and better in drawing out the games to a point where they could teamfight and beat WE. Without disconnects I think WE would have just won the first two games but now I think CLG.eu is slightly favored.


I feel WE is slightly better off if they can pick a midlate-game comp(yes I know this is against CLG.EU). Almost purely mechanics, but WX is hitting probably 10-15% CS more than yellowpete so there are windows where WX has 1/2/3 big items and yellowpete doesn't. Mid and top have been fairly even, but Snoopeh also isn't really a farming jungler, so as a result CLG enters midgame quite behind and playing catchup.


What they need to do is ban the easy turtle heroes like Karthus so they can actually engage.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 09 2012 16:34 GMT
#12170
On October 10 2012 01:21 Numy wrote:
It seemed like the Blitz ban was kind of huge.

In addition to being one of fzzf's signature heroes, it's also generally a good pick against the way CLG.Eu likes to play. The grab threat significantly affects the dynamic of ward wars, and one person getting grabbed without Flash up basically is instantly an opportunity for high ground or Baron, which makes it much harder for CLG.Eu to turtle like they do.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
October 09 2012 16:38 GMT
#12171
It's still kind of crazy that CLG EU or WE have to play both their quarter finals and semi final series on the same day. The whole hardware failure just made that worse when they already had that handicap.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 17:04:23
October 09 2012 17:01 GMT
#12172
On October 10 2012 00:46 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 00:41 TheYango wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:38 Sermokala wrote:
On October 10 2012 00:36 Implenia wrote:
On October 09 2012 18:27 Keniji wrote:
On October 09 2012 15:30 Curu wrote:
With that in mind they need to curb their passive aggressive (and sometimes downright aggressive) attacks on the other games in the genre and focus on getting their own stuff right first. I don't know if all that crap stems from someone like Pendragon (who has a history of such bullshit) or if it's a company-wide thing but they really should stop looking at putting down other people's games and get their own stuff in order.


What are they doing? This stuff came up all the time in the dota 2 vs riot thread in the dota 2 forum as well. I have never read something from riot that aggressively or even passive aggressively attacked dota2/valve. I mean, I just play the game sometimes and watch the big tournaments so I don't know that's why I'm honestly asking what riot is actually doing?

Mostly the fact that Riot was trying to force the S3 teams to drop their Dota / Hon teams. Besides the tournament exclusivity thing (no dota / hon) with IEM and MLG.


That was just an anti lol rumor that the dota community started you shouldn't put any stock into the gossip that comes from them.

I thought there was a red post confirming that they considered it but never acted on it?


Along with a bunch of team owners confirming that it was under discussion and they shat on it forcing Riot to not go through with it.

The only teams that actually said it was true were complexity and EG, two brand with no league of legend teams. It's all bullshit, what was true was that the contract specified that the team where not supposed to have any B teams.

Also Wickd said in his AMA that WE were up early in the morning to practice, which is why CLG.EU decided to drag game a lot, because they knew they were getting really tired and frustrated from the internet problem, while CLG.eu singed and talked to keep a good team cohesion.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
October 09 2012 17:12 GMT
#12173
I don't think you should believe everything someone says in an AMA. I doubt any team would consciously make the decision to throw away an advantage by not finishing a game and instead stall it out because the other team "was getting tired and frustrated". If they won that game none of this would have been an issue(well some of it would have been at least).
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
October 09 2012 17:16 GMT
#12174
On October 10 2012 02:12 Numy wrote:
I don't think you should believe everything someone says in an AMA. I doubt any team would consciously make the decision to throw away an advantage by not finishing a game and instead stall it out because the other team "was getting tired and frustrated". If they won that game none of this would have been an issue(well some of it would have been at least).

You're so biased it's ridiculous. So basically CLG had no plans, and if they say so in their AMA, they must be lying, because the only plan they have is "giving all to wickd and froggen and letting yellowpete getting shat on".
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 09 2012 17:20 GMT
#12175
On October 10 2012 02:12 Numy wrote:
I don't think you should believe everything someone says in an AMA. I doubt any team would consciously make the decision to throw away an advantage by not finishing a game and instead stall it out because the other team "was getting tired and frustrated". If they won that game none of this would have been an issue(well some of it would have been at least).

Some tennis players do this, knowing that they can physically exhaust the opponent. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility imo.
liftlift > tsm
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
October 09 2012 17:23 GMT
#12176
On October 10 2012 02:12 Numy wrote:
I don't think you should believe everything someone says in an AMA. I doubt any team would consciously make the decision to throw away an advantage by not finishing a game and instead stall it out because the other team "was getting tired and frustrated". If they won that game none of this would have been an issue(well some of it would have been at least).

I think they stalled because they had the feeling that they were getting further and further ahead. CLG.eu is renowned for being patient, so if they feel the other team is getting tired, they will wait until the opponent makes a clear mistake they can capitalize on. CLG.eu is not a racing car, they are like a family van. Safety first...
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 17:28:22
October 09 2012 17:24 GMT
#12177
On October 10 2012 02:20 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 02:12 Numy wrote:
I don't think you should believe everything someone says in an AMA. I doubt any team would consciously make the decision to throw away an advantage by not finishing a game and instead stall it out because the other team "was getting tired and frustrated". If they won that game none of this would have been an issue(well some of it would have been at least).

Some tennis players do this, knowing that they can physically exhaust the opponent. It wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility imo.


Ye but this is a million dollar tournament for people who aren't used to this kind of pressure. I don't know if CLG had the nerves and clear thinking to actually do something like that I'd be more than surprised. It just looked like they were afraid of committing a mistake so rather wanted WE to commit a mistake by doing a bad engagement.

On October 10 2012 02:16 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 02:12 Numy wrote:
I don't think you should believe everything someone says in an AMA. I doubt any team would consciously make the decision to throw away an advantage by not finishing a game and instead stall it out because the other team "was getting tired and frustrated". If they won that game none of this would have been an issue(well some of it would have been at least).

You're so biased it's ridiculous. So basically CLG had no plans, and if they say so in their AMA, they must be lying, because the only plan they have is "giving all to wickd and froggen and letting yellowpete getting shat on".


Yes I am biased. That comment was because I'm tired of people shitting on pete for being behind WEs carry while his team gives him absolutely no room to get ahead. Sure his laning phase wasn't great but you could see how hard he was trying to get something and as a result he got caught out a few times.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 09 2012 17:41 GMT
#12178
On October 10 2012 02:24 Numy wrote:
Yes I am biased. That comment was because I'm tired of people shitting on pete for being behind WEs carry while his team gives him absolutely no room to get ahead. Sure his laning phase wasn't great but you could see how hard he was trying to get something and as a result he got caught out a few times.

Honestly, CLG.Eu's farm priority was made blatantly clear in the first game when Pete was left to push back the super creeps mid while Froggen bounced back and forth farming both sidelanes, rather than the other way round.
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kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
October 09 2012 17:43 GMT
#12179
On October 10 2012 01:28 Sableyeah wrote:
Spoilering because this might have been discussed
+ Show Spoiler +
Honestly tho, Oddone said in an interview that they practiced all season long for this. And then in another interview he was crying that "this lvl1 tactic was all we had prepared" This was a bit sad on TSM's side.


TOO said that they prepared it and that it potentially could've changed things. he said they might have just gotten blown up anyway. but they can't and won't ever know.

this is just like how everyone dumps on Chauster because he said they prepared blue side strats and they didn't get one and they tried to adapt it to purple and failed miserably. but it doesn't matter, just dump on him and go "lolol CLG only prepared for one side of the map."

it's not about defending TSM or CLG... it's just that the lack of listening comprehension and bandwagoning is embarrassing.



anyway with all that said,

they have to fit in a potential 9 matches starting at 5pm tomorrow?
hmm

good luck with that, haha.
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
October 09 2012 17:45 GMT
#12180
Can people give me a confirmed update of what is happening to WE vs CLG eu and the 2 semi-finals sets?

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