[S2] World Championships Discussion - Page 607

On October 09 2012 21:00 LaNague wrote:
im mad, this incompetence is ridiculous.
This head referee Riot guy allready stated they had referees for every player and none of them saw anyone cheating.
Now they say frost cheated?

On October 09 2012 21:08 Redox wrote:

Everybody says Frost cheated. Because there is video evidence that is pretty much unrefutable.

But it seems like they will do nothing about it, so I dont quite get where you are coming from.

On October 09 2012 21:11 LaNague wrote:



you probably missed riots first statement, which was that they had a referee for every player and watched them at all times and there was no cheating.
Only a few reddit posts later they suddenly forgot about that statement.

On October 09 2012 21:14 Redox wrote:

I didnt forget that statement at all. Obviously the referee thought there was no cheating, otherwise he would not have made such a bold statement. Later video evidence emerged, showing that he was wrong. So of course at this point he can not hold this statement up. At which point is this hard to understand?

On October 09 2012 13:13 Jaksiel wrote:


I'm not taking a position on whether Frost cheated or not, or what if anything should be done if they did. With that out of the way, I think it's wrong to say Riot shouldn't even look into this on the hypothetical that it might hurt the scene in Korea. If the best team in Korea "cannot afford to have a cheating scandal", I really don't see how that's Riot's concern. Riot's concern should be to keep the integrity of their competitive scene as best they can. To me, taking a hard line on cheating (IF THAT'S WHAT THIS IS, AND IF THEY DO THE SAME FOR OTHER TEAMS FOUND GUILTY) is far more important than worrying how Korea will react to it.

(As an aside, and as someone who plays Magic: the Gathering competitively, I've always hated when people justify players cheating by saying better controls should have been in place. Yes, Riot screwed up by having a set-up where looking at the mini-map is possible. That does not justify any players actually doing so. If a player is found guilty of this, I'm willing to bet they apologize and acknowledge they shouldn't have looked, and they won't say it's Riot's fault for the set-up.)

On October 09 2012 21:16 DragoonTT wrote:

The "video evidence" is shaky at best, and if TSM didn't have a million fanboys making reading the boards or reddit hell at the moment, people probably wouldn't even care any more. Seriously, isn't it a little biased to instantly condemn Frost and take everything TSM says about possible cheating at face value?!

On October 09 2012 21:21 Redox wrote:

TSM is the team I dislike most in all of the finals. My posting history pretty much shows this.

Still its a fact that a Frost player tilted his head towards the mini-map and immediatly afterwards the position of the TSM players on the map was pinged, screwing up their lvl 1. That people dont want to see this seems to be a case of anti-TSM bias, or fear to be mistaken for obnoxious TSM fans.

That said, I believe TSM would have lost anyways, because they got outplayed the whole series and Frost was the much better team.

On October 09 2012 21:23 WhiteDog wrote:

"Shaky at best" tell me more about that please. There is a video, we see a guy watching the screen, then there is a ping in the dark, then there is both maokai and mf going in TSM's jungle like they know there is nobody in there, please tell me how is it shaky.
At least, saying WE or any other team cheated is shaky, but the evidences against frost are pretty huge. Jayce checking the bush is completly normal, but at best he could have known that one person was there, it's not enough for MF to pass the tribush nor for maokai to body check wraith.

On October 09 2012 18:27 Keniji wrote:


What are they doing? This stuff came up all the time in the dota 2 vs riot thread in the dota 2 forum as well. I have never read something from riot that aggressively or even passive aggressively attacked dota2/valve. I mean, I just play the game sometimes and watch the big tournaments so I don't know that's why I'm honestly asking what riot is actually doing?

On October 09 2012 22:13 CROrens wrote:


Allegedly they tried to force tournament hosts to only have 1 ARTS game (in other words, you dont let DotA 2 on your tournament or we go away with our money). Of course it was covered up by Riot later on, but many sources confirm it. If it really is true it was a really really cheap shot by riot.

On October 09 2012 22:16 Gorsameth wrote:


And i dont see what the problem is. Riot sponsering a tournament for a lot of money. taking care of a lot of things (shoutcasters/tech team on standby/price money). It saves a tournament money and they dont want that money to then get send to there competitor. No one is stopping anyone from running both Dota2/Hon and LoL. you just dont get the Riot bonusses.

On October 09 2012 22:20 LaNague wrote:


no, this is wrong, riot has 100% control over LoL usage, you cant do a bigger tournament without them approving.
its the 100% opposite from broodwar and im pretty sure they deliberately set it up this way because of the kespa-blizzard relationship.
you think tournament organizers WANT phreak and rivington casting?

On October 08 2012 23:13 DOUDOU wrote:

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=29971787#29971787
"Players make eye contact on stage fairly regularly"

it's impressive how easily the community swallows the shameless doublespeak of riot

On October 09 2012 23:03 Praetorial wrote:


That red post has ~2K downvotes