[S2] World Championships Discussion - Page 359

On October 06 2012 12:42 kainzero wrote:

NA gaming sucks because of all our good athletes play basketball and American football.



In all honesty I wish the NA scene had a better way to promote arranged 5s. Right now it seems like your LoL e-peen is based on your solo Q and watching Worlds makes me wanna play arranged 5s but I don't know how or where to find a team.

On October 06 2012 12:11 Bladeorade wrote:
Canada and NZ are part of NA... wtf

On October 06 2012 12:39 TheYango wrote:

I don't agree with that. In real sports, countries that are weaker at a given sport (e.g. Soccer/Football) can have perfectly acceptable local competition grow up, without international competition from "better" countries interfering. Same deal here.

On October 06 2012 12:39 TheYango wrote:

I don't agree with that. In real sports, countries that are weaker at a given sport (e.g. Soccer/Football) can have perfectly acceptable local competition grow up, without international competition from "better" countries interfering. Same deal here.

On October 06 2012 12:50 cLutZ wrote:


I doubt the talents related to Professional athletics translate much to pro gaming. The problem is that the NA scene probably hasn't identified the best players to put on teams and has not been able to arrange the best teams. Regi/Hotshot owning 2 of the top 3 teams is bad for the scene.

Also, living in America costs much more than living in Korea/China. Progaming winning and salaries are not nearly as enticing here, so you lose a lot of people to "real life". Because the 1/1000 chance of being a progamer making 150k/year is not really that great compared to a 95% chance of making 70k.

On October 06 2012 13:10 theBizness wrote:


But they aren't considered part of the big leagues. Generally these countries have their own lesser leagues and competitions. Regions can have their own smaller circuits but the main circuit should host the best teams.

On October 06 2012 13:16 Jaksiel wrote:


Where can I sign up for this 95% chance of making 70k?

On October 06 2012 13:14 XenOmega wrote:



This this this.

Sure, we want the best of the best to be part of the competition, from a neutral point of view. But where's the fun in seeing only Asian (for example ; I know that M5 and some other teams can compete at high level)?

Take Hockey for example. For a long time, Canada was considered the best hockey country (along US, Russia). Does that mean that every country has to stop playing it because of that? No! Because today, many countries improved, and are able to produce exceptional player. Killing local competition by allowing only the best to compete is great for the show (you get the best games), but its not great if you want to develop the sport (in our case, LoL). In fact, I'm going to say this : Riot has interests in making sure NA remain relevant. Want it or not, some people relate to people from their country.
Also, if Riot doesn't want to suffer the fate of BW, they must support competition in every region.

On October 06 2012 12:03 1ntrigue wrote:

What the hell? You're underrating China massively in LoL. China is definitely not as dominant in LoL as they are in DotA (probably because of the casual gamer culture around LoL in China compared to Korea and Chinese DotA) but they are way above NA. China is definitely above NA and is likely above EU in LoL overall. M5 and CLG.eu are extremely, extremely good EU teams - statistical outliers perhaps.

Anyway, I personally count Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau as being part of the Chinese scene in the same way that NA (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ), EU, SEA all lumps several culturally similar countries together.

Each of the current top Chinese teams have problems with their playstyle though. WE lacks a cohesive game plan and probably needs a jungle shotcaller, but has arguably the two best carry players in the world and the best teamfight execution in the world. iG has always been kinda funky and lacking a bread and butter playstyle, but they are extremely versatile. TPA has the smartest pro jungler and probably the best jungler in the world but lacks a professional practice regimen. All of the Chinese teams lack the fully professional environment that the Korean teams have. Currently, Frost and Blaze play like machines and their preparation is BW-esque, and no team outside Korea can compete with that in an extended series.

On October 06 2012 12:50 cLutZ wrote:


I doubt the talents related to Professional athletics translate much to pro gaming. The problem is that the NA scene probably hasn't identified the best players to put on teams and has not been able to arrange the best teams. Regi/Hotshot owning 2 of the top 3 teams is bad for the scene.

Also, living in America costs much more than living in Korea/China. Progaming winning and salaries are not nearly as enticing here, so you lose a lot of people to "real life". Because the 1/1000 chance of being a progamer making 150k/year is not really that great compared to a 95% chance of making 70k.

On October 06 2012 13:40 BlackPaladin wrote:


What jobs make 70k/year out of college? In the south it's 30k/year usually. In the north it's generally closer to 50k/year at start. Even cops in the north who make ridiculous salaries (average patrolman in my old town made 100k/year, chiefs made 150k) only start out at 30k as a basic patrolman for their first couple of years on the force.

On October 06 2012 13:16 Jaksiel wrote:
Where can I sign up for this 95% chance of making 70k?

On October 06 2012 14:15 GeorgeForeman wrote:
Well, I was sort of surprised how that went, and also sort of not. I mean, thus far the tournament has confirmed that TSM is clearly the best NA team but also that they're still a bit behind the top Korean teams. Its a shame these two had to face off so early. I feel there's 3 or 4 teams in the Ro8 that TSM could've taken games off of and/or beaten, but Frost just so good!

Chaox and Regi had really good games. Dyrus was pretty bad in game 1, pushing to tower (fine) but staying one wave too long without ward coverage. After that, it was a clear snowball against him. I also thought TOO did a poor job on Shyvanna; I mean, he was behind on CS and losing buffs to a Maokai. He camped top and bottom way too much that game given the relatively weak ganking power of Shyvanna. I guess he was trying for a countergank, but it never worked out. Frankly, I just don't think his mentality is right for Shyvanna.

Regi did a great job, though his call to engage on Vlad in game two was the turning point of the match. Funniest play was when Xpecial grabbed Taric in game two while Irelia and Skarner were trying to run down Graves. While this took Taric into tower range, it also brought him close enough to get a dazzle onto Graves, securing the kill. His pull of Vlad (to which Maokai was able to twisted advance to) secured a kill on Vlad and saved TOO was a nice way to make up for it, but if Graves had lived, TSM would've had a 4 on 2 for about 5 seconds unless Taric wanted to tank tow towers. Chaox was solid but unspectacular. He and Xpecial did a really good job of dominating the laning phase of Game 2, but it just wasn't enough.

T_T Wish they'd have these teams play more than two games. Either Double elim (Final = Bo5 with losers bracket winner down one game, because having two Bo3's is stupid) or at least placement games for 5-8th place... just something. Feels like a waste to gather all of these teams and play so few matches.

Edit:

After going back and reading the live comments, I'm astonished at the reactions. TSM played two pretty close games against one of the two best teams in this tournament. They were absolutely crushing the first one, and one disastrous teamfight turned it on its head. Its frankly a better result than any other NA or EU team outside of M5 has posted. Its two frickin games against possibly the best team in the world. Why is that a bad result or something to be ashamed of?

On October 06 2012 13:16 Jaksiel wrote:


Where can I sign up for this 95% chance of making 70k?