EPT[S2] World Championships Discussion - Page 220
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Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
On October 05 2012 19:35 SkelA wrote: I've never played LoL so I didnt bother watching because I have no idea even about basic info so was curious how do you compare this event to the TI2 of Dota ? Pls some objective comparation who have watched both. I dont wanna start flamewar about which game is better because some love LoL other love Dota 2 and some probably love both. Just curious about the the level of production and quality of games and all that info. Casters: Dota 2 >>>>LoL Production Quality: Pretty even Game Quality: Hard to judge since its only day 1 I think for most people they don't understand both games on the same level (that's a lot of champions/heroes) so the one they know more about is more enjoyable to watch for them. | ||
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
What the fuck,so the strategy when they spawn purple was to loose lol? | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 05 2012 19:35 SkelA wrote: I've never played LoL so I didnt bother watching because I have no idea even about basic info so was curious how do you compare this event to the TI2 of Dota ? Pls some objective comparation who have watched both. I dont wanna start flamewar about which game is better because some love LoL other love Dota 2 and some probably love both. Just curious about the the level of production and quality of games and all that info. From a pure production standpoint I think Valve managed the venue at TI2 better. Some points I discussed with Neo earlier: - Booth/Stage setup. Open booths rather than closed/soundproofed booths looks hugely unprofessional IMO. At a world-class event, you really need to have soundproofed booths to create the best environment for the players. Open playing areas fit the mold of MLG/IEM/etc. but the bar has been raised by highly professional tournaments like ACE, OGN, and TI2. - Player Intros/Videos. The player intro videos/host introductions all told were very dry. They gave you absolutely nothing if you weren't a player already acquainted with the teams, and the vast majority of viewers are only familiar with teams from 1-2 regions. I'd say that the filmed player intros should have done more to really introduce the personality of the players. Even getting them to say something so that you can attach a voice to each face/name could have gone a long way. - Format. We already know this--Riot's format is leaving too much to coin tosses. First the random seeds to Ro8, and now the coin tosses for Blue/Purple team in group stages. A professional tournament should not be managed this way. The format should be designed to be fair to all contenders, and randomly letting teams luck out/get screwed is not fair. There are very easy solutions to these kind of things (e.g. each pairing in groups plays 2 matches, so that each team is blue/purple team once), and Riot really should have thought this out more. - Host content between games. Anyone who watched TI2 can tell you that the host panel talking between games did a fantastic job of filling setup time between games. "Stat man" Bruno created some of the most memorable moments of the International, and as much as I like Seltzer and Wheat, they're not really matching up to that quality of between-game content. Though IIRC the Korean stream was much better about this with more active player interviews/etc. | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
Production Value, having been to TI2 and after talking to friends who went to the world finals, they simply do not compare. The outdoor venue, while done fairly well, is far inferior in almost every way to the concert hall valve spent a week meticulously preparing. The lack of soundproof booths and having to deal with the silly weather and poor seating at an outdoor event were both major complaints. The first led to the game having to be casted in a non-interactive manner without a lot of the emotion and crowd responses that made TI2 so great. The weather outside and the way it varied during the day and dipped after sunset was quite uncomfortable for many of the casters and the people I talked to Overall Atmosphere - Aside from the korean casting ogn staff (with their excellent balance between banter and analysis and the couch that made the Chinese casters rather jelly), the entire event felt somewhat unpolished and unprofessional (but only in direct comparison to TI2). This comes from the combination of the lack of hype, the lower quality of the non-game content, the venue, and the way the event started an hour late, etc etc. Caveat LoL World Championships has its finals a week from now and has the potential to use the feedback from the prior events to craft a much better show next week On October 05 2012 19:50 Sableyeah wrote: Why does M5 and TSM get first pick in first game while Taipei Assasins and World Elite not? l337noScope480xXx Coin Flipping skillz i'd imagine | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
When i organize sports or take part in a small sports tournament in my free time that was done by people like me, i see better organization and formats every single time. the rest is saved by the korean commentary (and camera work!!) and their couches :D | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
I've never played LoL so I didnt bother watching because I have no idea even about basic info so was curious how do you compare this event to the TI2 of Dota ? Play both/watch both (playing league at competetive level but prefer watching dota all day long  )TI2 handsdown not only is the venue/production value better, there are also more good teams at the even. Pretty much anyone with any idea about the competetive scene would have predicted the first/second in each group (maybe mix them around a bit). In addition to that as already mentioned the no legs strategy is just too awesome and pretty much everything what he said. To add to that the casters are just way superior in Dota than they are in league (maybe its partly because I dont realize every single mistake they do because I dont have that much knowledge about dota2) | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
God the translations at TI2 were such a shitshow. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8kXna.jpg) | ||
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quainter
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qtiehunter
1088 Posts
not like clg.na would do any better  | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:03 TheYango wrote: Realistically if there's a spot where Riot already beat Valve, it's that they have actual translators for Chinese/Korean, lol. God the translations at TI2 were such a shitshow. + Show Spoiler + You know I had to talk to Eric to get them to add the translations at TI2 right? at first they didn't even have any (if u watched the first intros) and I noted to them at some point that some sort of translations for that stuff was a must. And since the official translator (Anderson aka the guy doing the interviews aka #1 handsome incompetent scumbag) couldn't do it they had to get inexperienced commentating staff to try to do live translations, which basically led them to translating the first 2 things correctly, get really far behind and having to paraphrase/wing stuff out of midair. That said, the fact that they instantly recognized the need and did it so quickly was amazing to me. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:08 qtiehunter wrote: coin flip world tournament pls not like clg.na would do any better It's honestly a sham that Frost even had to play groups in the first place because of a random drawing. On October 05 2012 20:09 Kupon3ss wrote: You know I had to talk to Eric to get them to add the translations at TI2 right? at first they didn't even have any (if u watched the first intros) and I noted to them at some point that some sort of translations for that stuff was a must. And since the official translator (Anderson aka the guy doing the interviews aka #1 handsome incompetent scumbag) couldn't do it they had to get inexperienced commentating staff to try to do live translations, which basically led them to translating the first 2 things correctly, get really far behind and having to paraphrase/wing stuff out of midair. That said, the fact that they instantly recognized the need and did it so quickly was amazing to me. lol says he can translate can only say "back to James" scumbag Anderson | ||
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
On October 05 2012 19:48 TheKefka wrote: "We lost because all of our strategys were for blue side" What the fuck,so the strategy when they spawn purple was to loose lol? Seems like a good plan to me. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:09 TheYango wrote: It's honestly a sham that Frost even had to play groups in the first place because of a random drawing. lol says he can translate can only say "back to James" scumbag Anderson Well he's also a scumbag for other reasons, namely selling invites he got from valve + the international booklets for money and claiming they were official resellers, basically while Anderson is handsome and personable to the western audience+valve, most of China recognize him to be a scumbag Icefrog was apparently made aware of this from facebook and replied "he will be punished" or something to that effect | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:14 Kupon3ss wrote: Well he's also a scumbag for other reasons, namely selling invites he got from valve + the international booklets for money and claiming they were official resellers, basically while Anderson is handsome and personable to the western audience+valve, most of China recognize him to be a scumbag Icefrog was apparently made aware of this from facebook and replied "he will be punished" or something to that effect Yeah I'm aware of that, lol, just still thought it was funny that he couldn't translate when it came down to it. w/e this is getting way off topic EDIT: btw did you watch the GTV restream at all? It was lagging way more for me than the Garena stream, so I turned it off, but I'm curious what DC is like commentating LoL, lol. | ||
Flicky
England2663 Posts
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qtiehunter
1088 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:19 Flicky wrote: Am I right in thinking that the finals will be inside the Staples Centre? With Kobe as an MC! Double swag with Wheat, fire the chick. | ||
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Ente
Germany1795 Posts
As a dota player who don't play LOL, I think the english casters here have been subpar compared to SC2 and Dota2. That has to be fixed first and foremost. It seems at a glance that drafting in LOL is more varied than TI2, where the same few heroes were always banned. Cant comment much bout the actual games cos I'm still trying to figure out all the skills. Yes both things are true there is a higher percentage banned/picked for LoL and dota but in difference to dota there is not that much difference in how its laned (hell TP scrolls are op and make the game so different ) You start to see some 2v1 lane top/mid occasionally but usually its still 1-1-2 with a jungler. And with the casters there are a few casters out there who are good but the majority just doesnt know much about the game and keeps saying wrong things. I casted with one aswell even though in german but its kinda frustrating you cant just say: you are stupid and keep saying wrong stuff you have to try to tell the viewers that hes incorrect without saying that hes incorrect ^.^ | ||
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