EPT[S2] World Championships Discussion - Page 218
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Keep the rage to a minimum. This includes wait times between games, music, and balance. Fair warning to all. | ||
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chalice
United States1945 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On October 05 2012 15:03 triangle wrote: ...Did you watch the games today? I would be shocked if they even take a game off Frost. Nope didn't watch. Terrible time for it here in Merica. I do remember watching Frost play in the past, really good. TSM also really good. If they were the team in CLG's spot, they would have advanced. Good chance they could have lost to Frost. That's why this will be a great set I believe. Some people just undervalue TSM, even though they continue pushing out results. Add a tournament where they have home field advantage. Crowd favorites, Regi going to make big plays. Curious which one of them will dry hump the million dollar check first. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
On October 05 2012 15:47 chalice wrote: "What do you think you'll do differently in season 3, do you think you'll start practicing as purple side?" easier to just get better at flipping coins imo | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On October 05 2012 15:53 Kupon3ss wrote: easier to just get better at flipping coins imo The reason CLG lost isn't because HSGG underperforms in the jungle. It's because he doesn't know how to flip coins properly. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
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elementz
United States281 Posts
On October 05 2012 14:27 Kupon3ss wrote: LoL that 70 minute game was hilarious to watch But you have to realize that the Chinese didn't take that match seriously either, and looking over the way WE beat iG last week, I'd say WE is rather lucky to not have drawn Nanjing apparently wickd Irelia in that game had a bug where he couldn't autoattack after like minute 50 or so he could only use skills..the pause by the end was due to that, but they all said fuck it and lets finish...doubt either took the game anywhere serious. TBH iG did not impress me that much, they camped bot lane with pink wards when they were blue, pretty much abusing the fuck out of blue vs red imbalances...not sure what the counter could be, but I think M5's bot will be fine from that and then Alex/Darien will snowball their lanes. CLG.eu still in it, they 3-1 Sword (from a 2-0 start--in a Bo3 that would have been just a 2-0), and they did 2-0 Frost which got turned on them to a 2-3, but that is pretty much a physcological thing in not being able to finish off the series than anything, (imo they went into show off mode--and most of those games were lost in picks), still these games are Bo3 so they can always come and 2-0...I am not sure I like that they have been training with CLG.na that much since it is evident CLG.na is not that good, in Korea they were training with teams like sword and frost none stop. Also what did the peak viewers end up being? I think only on twitch/own3d streams they had over 500k so w.e. from China+Korea would have brought this first day really high...my biggest dilemma right now, for the the best of eSports the teams need to be from different continents possibly CLG.eu/TSM vs iG/Sword (these teams being the fan favorites); however I don't like TSM, and I really want to see the EU rivarly between M5 and CLG.eu played out for some 75minute games. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
And in that regard, what CLG.eu game would you recommend me to watch? Only have time for one... | ||
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
Here's the long VOD for all of today's games. You might have to scroll around to find the games you want. Most of CLG.eu's games weren't that memorable, but you can check the polls in the OP to see which ones people recommended. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 05 2012 15:56 elementz wrote: TBH iG did not impress me that much, they camped bot lane with pink wards when they were blue, pretty much abusing the fuck out of blue vs red imbalances...not sure what the counter could be, but I think M5's bot will be fine from that and then Alex/Darien will snowball their lanes. Honestly, Illusion's weaknesses are going to show when he goes up against real junglers that actually can abuse the fact that he's camping and not getting anything done. It's just that Hotshot and Araneae are fucking useless and did absolutely nothing with all the time Illusion was wasting. On October 05 2012 15:47 Irave wrote: Nope didn't watch. Terrible time for it here in Merica. I do remember watching Frost play in the past, really good. TSM also really good. If they were the team in CLG's spot, they would have advanced. Good chance they could have lost to Frost. That's why this will be a great set I believe. Some people just undervalue TSM, even though they continue pushing out results. What "results"? They haven't put up a notable performance against a worthwhile opponent in ages. Absolutely none of the teams they face on NA are worth mentioning (CLG.NA and Dignitas getting trashed proves that), and they don't compete against other regions. I'm not going to say they they have no chance, because their play still looks good, but they also haven't played anyone that really proves anything except for Blaze, against whom they lost. Anybody looks good stomping trash teams. | ||
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mistax
United States415 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On October 05 2012 16:15 TheYango wrote: Honestly, Illusion's weaknesses are going to show when he goes up against real junglers that actually can abuse the fact that he's camping and not getting anything done. It's just that Hotshot and Araneae are fucking useless and did absolutely nothing with all the time Illusion was wasting. What "results"? They haven't put up a notable performance against a worthwhile opponent in ages. Absolutely none of the teams they face on NA are worth mentioning (CLG.NA and Dignitas getting trashed proves that), and they don't compete against other regions. I'm not going to say they they have no chance, because their play still looks good, but they also haven't played anyone that really proves anything except for Blaze, against whom they lost. Anybody looks good stomping trash teams. I'd argue that the fact that TSM is able to consistently stomp "not worthwhile opponents" (meaning CLGna and dignitas, ie top ~10 teams rather than top 5) shows at least that they are a cut above those teams. Which is really all we can say about teams like azubu and najin. Isn't that the whole point of this tournament? To look at teams from different regions and discover how they compare - which we don't already know? It's just rather a double standard for people on this forum to talk about how good, say, TPA are going to be, then talk about how bad TSM are gonna be. When all we know about TPA is that they regularily dominate their scene, except for that one time they played CLGeu, where they lost. I have zero idea how the games will go tomorrow. Frost might completely stomp TSM, TSM might completely stomp frost. No idea. I do feel comfortable saying that TSM will probably look better (probably a LOT better) than CLG or dig, since they have the advantage of actually practicing. ALSO: As I said, I have zero idea how well TSM will compare, but I really really really want TSM to win the whole thing. Not because I am a TSM fanboi (though I unashamedly am), but because I want to see all you smug bastards bashing them eat your words  | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
The biggest hurdle to TSM is that they've never faced any of the Asian teams present recently. While it is also true that those teams likewise do not have experience against TSM, this works against TSM more than it works for them, because it is easier for those 5 Asian teams to research 1 team that they have never faced than for TSM to research all 5 teams they've never faced. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On October 05 2012 15:47 Irave wrote: Nope didn't watch. Terrible time for it here in Merica. I do remember watching Frost play in the past, really good. TSM also really good. If they were the team in CLG's spot, they would have advanced. Good chance they could have lost to Frost. That's why this will be a great set I believe. Some people just undervalue TSM, even though they continue pushing out results. What "results"? They haven't put up a notable performance against a worthwhile opponent in ages. Absolutely none of the teams they face on NA are worth mentioning (CLG.NA and Dignitas getting trashed proves that), and they don't compete against other regions. I'm not going to say they they have no chance, because their play still looks good, but they also haven't played anyone that really proves anything except for Blaze, against whom they lost. Anybody looks good stomping trash teams. They scrim against European teams all of the time. They consistently beat teams that have got invited to this tournament. That doesn't mean anything to you because they got trashed this tournament? There aren't very many frequent tournaments where TSM gets the chance to prove their value against Asian teams. They can't be expected to play on those realms with ping issues. To acquire any type of idea how they will perform. In August they beat Singapore Sentinels, at the same tournament Curse eliminated WE. I like how you attempt to discredit everything they have accomplished, yet think they still have a chance with their solid play. Seem a bit confused? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 05 2012 16:53 Irave wrote: They scrim against European teams all of the time. They consistently beat teams that have got invited to this tournament. That doesn't mean anything to you because they got trashed this tournament? There aren't very many frequent tournaments where TSM gets the chance to prove their value against Asian teams. They can't be expected to play on those realms with ping issues. To acquire any type of idea how they will perform. In August they beat Singapore Sentinels, at the same tournament Curse eliminated WE. I like how you attempt to discredit everything they have accomplished, yet think they still have a chance with their solid play. Seem a bit confused? They had the chance to go to Korea and face the best just like CLG and Dignitas did. They just chose not to, which is a decision I personally don't respect at all. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
hope that becomes a new LoL excuse meme | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On October 05 2012 16:56 TheYango wrote: They had the chance to go to Korea and face the best just like CLG and Dignitas did. They just chose not to, which is a decision I personally don't respect at all. Since its Team Liquid this thought makes sense here. They are the Stephano of LoL. They chose to compete at more local events to win the money. The time spent there could have resulted in nothing for them. Which is what happened to the two foreign teams that competed there. Fnatic isn't at this tournament, and CLG is already out. Notice now TSM still remains on top without time spent there. Them not attending that tournament doesn't put them at a disadvantage either. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
That was a TPA that could 20 minute inhib->25 minute gg against Najin. That's not overhyped, that's a world class team that's slumped super hard after that. It's funny that they have to go against Najin now in Ro8 and I'm predicting Najin 2:0.  | ||
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
On October 05 2012 16:48 TheYango wrote: Nobody's said TPA is going to do well since they started slumping super hard, lol. Prior to their huge slump, they actually were exchanging wins and losses pretty reasonably in practice against Korean teams, and they absolutely trashed the pre-split Najin in Go4LoL Pro Asia events. There was legitimacy to the TPA hype prior to their slump. The biggest hurdle to TSM is that they've never faced any of the Asian teams present recently. While it is also true that those teams likewise do not have experience against TSM, this works against TSM more than it works for them, because it is easier for those 5 Asian teams to research 1 team that they have never faced than for TSM to research all 5 teams they've never faced. Hmmm. Yeah, TPA wasn't a very good example, admittedly. Still, the point that we haven't seen TSM vs the asian teams and so we don't know how they'll do against each other stands, imo. On October 05 2012 16:56 TheYango wrote: They had the chance to go to Korea and face the best just like CLG and Dignitas did. They just chose not to, which is a decision I personally don't respect at all. K, see, this just bugs me. There was zilch saying that korea was a higher quality of competition at the time. In fact I remember a number of interviews from the first time CLG decided to go, of them basically saying that they wanted to go because their was a big prize pool that they could walk away with just for beating shitty korean teams. TSM stayed because they already had a team house setup and wanted to practice with european and NA teams, and play in euro and NA tournaments. I suppose its unsurprising that a starcraft fansite has a blatant bias towards the Korean and Chinese scene. But man, it just gets to me sometimes. On October 05 2012 17:07 Irave wrote: Since its Team Liquid this thought makes sense here. They are the Stephano of LoL. They chose to compete at more local events to win the money. The time spent there could have resulted in nothing for them. Which is what happened to the two foreign teams that competed there. Fnatic isn't at this tournament, and CLG is already out. Notice now TSM still remains on top without time spent there. Them not attending that tournament doesn't put them at a disadvantage either. lol they didn't choose to stay in NA to win money, they chose to stay and practice in a reliable place (specifically, practice for season 2 finals) with the - at the time - reputedly better (ie harder competition) european and na scenes. Unlike CLG, who initially went to Korea to win bags of free money. As it happens Azubu and Najin emerged and learned to play the game properly, and then got really fucking good at it. But when OGN's first tournament was announced, the korean scene still sucked. Don't let the historical revisionism get to you. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
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