EPT[IPL] IPL4 Main Event Discussion - Page 105
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ketchup
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:38 Two_DoWn wrote: Lulu isnt the key to this comp. Mundo is. The ability to completely tank everything thrown at him thanks to all the heal and whatnot while kog does his thing. Dig could run janna mid and a random top and the result would be largely the same. By ensuring mundo gets a full ult dig has essentially 2 fed tanks. It works better cuz lulu ult isnt cut by ignite and soraka is a stupid champ, but the real key here is that mundo is gonna live through the fight, so koggles is always gonna have,a,tank Except that Mundo can't peel worth a damn and is ignorable late game. It's a combination of his inability to be killed with all of the healing + support utility, not Mundo alone. It's essentially the entire temcomp together that makes it work; imo any piece that goes missing causes it to fail. | ||
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overt
United States9006 Posts
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eagle
United States693 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:31 nojitosunrise wrote: no it's kogmaw that is winning fights lulu/soraka is worthless without kog/corki softening up everyone TBH its not even kog anymore, in game 3, Dig got ahead even without getting to 5v5 teamfights, simply by baiting realy bad ganks with strong heals. I could see vayne working really strong with that team comp, simply because she has similar lategame power curve. Corki also works due to his high triforce affinity, and large dps output. Now, then it leaves lulu and soraka. People keep yelling "GET EXECUTIONER CALL AND IGNITE", First of all, in g3, only heals going on anyone was Soraka's ulti and her regular heal. And if you look at scarra, he wasn't exactly building full ap, only had wota and dc, then build frzn heart. The heal isn't necessarily the problem, it was the +armor buff from the heal incombination with lulu's ulti (which isn't a heal, ergo can't be countered). So in here lies the problem, does banning soraka or lulu necessarily destroy this team comp, wihtout allowing something else to replace it? I don't think so, picks like ryze will begin to surface, and even benefit that comp even more. Remember dig's strength isn't just this comp, dig's just a strong team overall. Even if you cripple the shit out of this comp, you then open up the possibility of dig getting an even stronger different comp. | ||
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wintergt
Belgium1335 Posts
You can ban soraka and/or lulu but that leaves other options open too. Maybe they can do it too with like Janna+Taric+Karma or something, altho I think Soraka is the most crucial thing here with so many heals and a pretty ungankable strong mid lane which goes fluidly into supporting (+adding armor and shredding opponents, and don't forget starfall is sick dmg too) the AD carry. EDIT: And btw, CLG was trying to counter it 3rd game with Vayne and 2 ignites (instead of 1 ignite and teleport for HSGG's split pushing) but it simply didn't work. At one point they just couldn't kill anyone anymore despite being equal or slightly ahead. And don't forget the synergy between Mundo and the Lulu ult here, he runs in their midst then gets ulted and knocks everyone back, slowing them too, while becoming even more unkillable. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Except that Mundo can't peel worth a damn and is ignorable late game. It's a combination of his inability to be killed with all of the healing + support utility, not Mundo alone. It's essentially the entire temcomp together that makes it work; imo any piece that goes missing causes it to fail. Uhh, no, Mundo is not ignorable late-game. But anyways, this teamcomp has generally a lot of permutations and I really do think the new meta of basically 1 hypercarry + 4 random mishmash of tank + support is going to be the new thing. | ||
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SuperFanBoy
New Zealand1068 Posts
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jadoth
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Chiharu Harukaze
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
Hell, they could even pick twitch and they would still win. It has nothing to do with Kogmaw. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:43 wintergt wrote: If you ban/pick kog and corki, dignitas can pick vayne. Will work just as well b/c the comp doesn't rely too much on the early game (where vayne was nerfed) just the lategame AD carry scaling, which Vayne is still fine at. Dignitas got behind early (to mid) almost every game and still won. You can ban soraka and/or lulu but that leaves other options open too. Maybe they can do it too with like Janna+Taric+Karma or something, altho I think Soraka is the most crucial thing here with so many heals and a pretty ungankable strong mid lane which goes fluidly into supporting (+adding armor and shredding opponents, and don't forget starfall is sick dmg too) the AD carry. qtpie's vayne is quite horrible in tournaments | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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beefhamburger
United States3962 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:45 Chiharu Harukaze wrote: What's the song playing atm? Not sure but it's by Girl's Day. | ||
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henrikyo
Norway755 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:41 Niton wrote: The one thing that I think is truly stupid about Lulu is that, at level 16, she has 840 (+1.1) in extra health for a target that can't be diminished in any way. Even at just a couple hundred AP, you're adding a retarded amount of EH to your carry while also providing a hard CC and an AoE slow. If nothing else, I would be shocked if her ult didn't wind up affected by Ignite. True. If you look at lulu abilites. She has q: slow w: on ally (movement speed + ap) on enemy (poly) e: on ally (pix ally + shield) on enemy (pix attacks them and grants vision) r: 800 extra health and slow to all surround enemies What champion has all that? O_O | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Ryze has good damage and a snare to support Kog, but you have to consider would he have been better in this comp than Soraka? Soraka of course has the very large heals to support Kog. Though I wonder if Morganna would be another possible AP to support Kog. | ||
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Chiharu Harukaze
12112 Posts
Loser Bracket Round 1: Monomatic > aAa EPIK > v8 Loser Bracket Round 2: Monomatic > Curse CLG > EPIK CLG > Monomatic (this will probably be close) Winner Bracket Round: Dignitas > TSM (close, but I think Dignitas have the edge) | ||
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:38 Two_DoWn wrote: Lulu isnt the key to this comp. Mundo is. The ability to completely tank everything thrown at him thanks to all the heal and whatnot while kog does his thing. Dig could run janna mid and a random top and the result would be largely the same. By ensuring mundo gets a full ult dig has essentially 2 fed tanks. It works better cuz lulu ult isnt cut by ignite and soraka is a stupid champ, but the real key here is that mundo is gonna live through the fight, so koggles is always gonna have,a,tank Totally disagree. The frontline tank just needs to be super tanky and can jungle. Rammus would have worked just fine. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:47 BlackMagister wrote: Eh simply changing the Olaf ban to Kogmaw would have significantly changed the game. There is no other AD that really has comps based around protecting them. Ryze has good damage and a snare to support Kog, but you have to consider would he have been better in this comp than Soraka? Soraka of course has the very large heals to support Kog. Though I wonder if Morganna would be another possible AP to support Kog. If you take away soraka and put in Galio it still works. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
And yeah I don't think Soraka was essential to protecting Kog Maw just she was a really good option. The key is of course Kog Maw. | ||
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