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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
April 07 2012 03:37 GMT
#2061
how about waiting for more games before calling something broken.


Its like seeing some scientists measured something that is faster than light once and going around calling Einstein obsolete...
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
April 07 2012 03:37 GMT
#2062
If Olaf wasn't banned, I think he would be pretty good in catching Kogmaw.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 03:38:29
April 07 2012 03:37 GMT
#2063
On April 07 2012 12:36 snow2.0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 12:35 HazMat wrote:
There's 6 bans in this game btw guys.

you only get to do 3 of those.

Then you either pick this super op brake-the-meta hero as FP or you ban it.

I give up, you guys are worse than LoL.com And almost as dumb.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
henrikyo
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway755 Posts
April 07 2012 03:38 GMT
#2064
On April 07 2012 12:35 petered wrote:
I don't think the comp is super OP, just that CLG didn't respond well.

I also think banning kog wouldn't fix it, because the comp is not reliant on super long range. They got engaged on effectively plenty of times and just healed/shielded/slowed right through it. Vayne or Corki would work fine imo.

Also the lulu+soraka combo is what makes the comp so powerful. Ban just one of those and i think you are all set. That and get an assassin like poppy or akali to burst through the heal. CLG had no burst so their damage got sustained through.

You are missing the point.

Clg had first ban first pick

Ban kogmaw

Pick corki

Shutdown
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
April 07 2012 03:38 GMT
#2065
To be perfectly honest, I prefer watching those comps than watching CLG's boring AFK farmfests into lategame.
Go go Alliance.
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
April 07 2012 03:38 GMT
#2066
On April 07 2012 12:35 nosliw wrote:
Is IPL done for today?


Yes. No more games unless they rebroadcast games.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
April 07 2012 03:38 GMT
#2067
On April 07 2012 12:36 henrikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 12:34 overt wrote:
On April 07 2012 12:33 henrikyo wrote:
On April 07 2012 12:31 overt wrote:
On April 07 2012 12:28 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On April 07 2012 12:27 dukethegold wrote:
Can't they just ban Soraka and Lulu in selection and be done with it?

It does mean that they leave up Shen, CassiOPeia, Kennen, Karthus, Lee Sin, Udyr, Janna, Ryze. Can't ban/first pcik them all.


Nidalee healing not as good as Soraka but she works as AP too. And she can mid and top. Kayle not terrible either. If a team wants to run a heal comp it's not like Lulu/Soraka are required champs. They just happen to be really good. You can easily replace one or both of them if that's the kind of comp you wanna run.

Then just band kogmaw and first pick corki

Problem is, as CLG has said before. They dont have a good range of heroes to play. They play the same shit all the time, and it just got hard countered.


I dunno if that's 100% accurate though. Doublelift's Corki is pretty damn good. His Kog leaves a lot to be desired, but his Corki is excellent. And jiji can run AP Kog. In that specific situation they could easily ban Kog or Corki and pick up the other to fit into a comp they wanna run.

Then why didnt they do it :/


Most likely because they thought they could beat that comp and/or weren't experienced enough against it. Doublelift played a wider range of AD carries at Hannover than any other AD carry. European or North American. So I highly doubt it was an issue of "Doublelift doesn't feel comfortable on Corki" and more an issue of "we think we can beat this comp so we'll let Double run one of his gosu champs."
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 07 2012 03:38 GMT
#2068
Lulu isnt the key to this comp. Mundo is. The ability to completely tank everything thrown at him thanks to all the heal and whatnot while kog does his thing. Dig could run janna mid and a random top and the result would be largely the same. By ensuring mundo gets a full ult dig has essentially 2 fed tanks.

It works better cuz lulu ult isnt cut by ignite and soraka is a stupid champ, but the real key here is that mundo is gonna live through the fight, so koggles is always gonna have,a,tank
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
snow2.0
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany2073 Posts
April 07 2012 03:38 GMT
#2069
On April 07 2012 12:37 beefhamburger wrote:
If Olaf wasn't banned, I think he would be pretty good in catching Kogmaw.

Rest of team cant follow through void ooze + lulu slow, kog gets healed/shielded by 3 guys with spells + summoners. dont see an issue.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 03:40:11
April 07 2012 03:39 GMT
#2070
On April 07 2012 12:37 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 12:36 snow2.0 wrote:
On April 07 2012 12:35 HazMat wrote:
There's 6 bans in this game btw guys.

you only get to do 3 of those.

Then you either pick this super op brake-the-meta hero as FP or you ban it.

I give up, you guys are worse than LoL.com


That's faulty thinking though. Their picks WERE working the second game. Changing your team's playstyle LAST minute is the worst thing you can do in a tournament game.

Either way, CLG didn't do much to counter the team comp. I was expecting at least one more ignite, or even an EC to be picked up.
henrikyo
Profile Joined March 2008
Norway755 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 03:41:37
April 07 2012 03:39 GMT
#2071
On April 07 2012 12:38 dooraven wrote:
To be perfectly honest, I prefer watching those comps than watching CLG's boring AFK farmfests into lategame.

True, the one strat CLG knows is, split push.

And they did that in quarterfinals. They seriously need to learn other things.

They did the same vs m5 some months ago, and got shutdown
PartyBiscuit
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada4525 Posts
April 07 2012 03:40 GMT
#2072
On April 07 2012 12:31 BlackMagister wrote:
CLG wasted a ban on Olaf and potentially Ryze. Or am I missing something? Did Dig do well with Olaf in game one or a previous series?

Technically Olaf was in the Mm game 3 where Dig made the first epic comeback with Raka mid.
the farm ends here
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
April 07 2012 03:40 GMT
#2073
On April 07 2012 12:35 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 12:34 tobi9999 wrote:
We can easily guess on how TSM is going to deal with this.

I predict that Chaox picks MF for the healing debuff. Reginald will no doubt pick something that counters Soraka. He should know how to since he's played it himself unlike Jiji.

Then Dyrus and Oddone will copy M5 and try to shut down mundo really hard.

The question is will it work?


no because people are misunderstanding how this comp works.

This is just a glorified protect the kog comp.

why did the same thing work with Corki then?

I have to disagree with you =P Lulu got like 10 kills that game where as kogmaw only got 1. Dignitas was winning fights when Kogmaw had only triple dorans and Zeal, and Vayne had a bloodthirster+zeal.

Soraka and Lulu pretty much just walked into the middle of the enemy team and raped people. Ofc lategame it was all kogmaw.

I think it's more of a "stall until our AD is farmed because we can with our teamfight potential" composition
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
April 07 2012 03:41 GMT
#2074
Thinking about it, I don't see how it's any less abusive than the Noc+Vlad+Kennen+Ashe+Janna execution comp. But whatever. I'm sure there's a solution out there. But whether teams can find it in time for the IPL Finals I wonder. Good showing by Dignitas to find something like this though.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-07 03:42:29
April 07 2012 03:41 GMT
#2075
On April 07 2012 12:38 Two_DoWn wrote:
Lulu isnt the key to this comp. Mundo is. The ability to completely tank everything thrown at him thanks to all the heal and whatnot while kog does his thing. Dig could run janna mid and a random top and the result would be largely the same. By ensuring mundo gets a full ult dig has essentially 2 fed tanks.

It works better cuz lulu ult isnt cut by ignite and soraka is a stupid champ, but the real key here is that mundo is gonna live through the fight, so koggles is always gonna have,a,tank


Yeah, we've pretty much seen this like every kogmaw game so far. It's kogmaw + mundo, and sometimes even mundo + olaf which is even more terrifying. Soraka + Kogmaw + Mundo have been stomping so hard this tournament and not getting banned.
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
April 07 2012 03:41 GMT
#2076
CLG lost because their team comp sucked vs. Dig's. They didn't go for high-damage heros. They went for bruisery ones with CC. But CC doesn't matter when the other team just runs at you in a giant ball. I suspect Riven or Nocturn would do well. Or Cass. It's a new meta and they weren't prepared for it, same way no one was prepared for Shyv in Kiev.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
April 07 2012 03:41 GMT
#2077
The one thing that I think is truly stupid about Lulu is that, at level 16, she has 840 (+1.1) in extra health for a target that can't be diminished in any way. Even at just a couple hundred AP, you're adding a retarded amount of EH to your carry while also providing a hard CC and an AoE slow.

If nothing else, I would be shocked if her ult didn't wind up affected by Ignite.
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nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
April 07 2012 03:41 GMT
#2078
On April 07 2012 12:40 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 12:35 nojitosunrise wrote:
On April 07 2012 12:34 tobi9999 wrote:
We can easily guess on how TSM is going to deal with this.

I predict that Chaox picks MF for the healing debuff. Reginald will no doubt pick something that counters Soraka. He should know how to since he's played it himself unlike Jiji.

Then Dyrus and Oddone will copy M5 and try to shut down mundo really hard.

The question is will it work?


no because people are misunderstanding how this comp works.

This is just a glorified protect the kog comp.

why did the same thing work with Corki then?

I have to disagree with you =P Lulu got like 10 kills that game where as kogmaw only got 1. Dignitas was winning fights when Kogmaw had only triple dorans and Zeal, and Vayne had a bloodthirster+zeal.

Soraka and Lulu pretty much just walked into the middle of the enemy team and raped people. Ofc lategame it was all kogmaw.

I think it's more of a "stall until our AD is farmed because we can with our teamfight potential" composition


the only reason soraka/lulu got kills was because of kog softening up everyone

If you ban kog and pick corki...dig's comp doesn't work anymore

no other AD carry can do what those two can
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
April 07 2012 03:42 GMT
#2079
On April 07 2012 12:26 Frolossus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2012 12:24 generalyao wrote:
I would like to see how m5 would deal with something like this.

run executioners or ignite on the jungler and top lane
be super aggressive counter jungling early game


You don't just counter jungle mundo.

Yeh, CLG's picks were terrible.

Anivia? You have 3 melee heroes yourself, you'll most likely zone your team mates than the enemy team.
Picking 3 melee heroes into Lulu/Soraka/Janna? Perma slow, knockup, pushback.
Vayne I understand I guess, pick the other hyper carry to compete late game vs Kog.
GP? CLG loves the splitpush/farming strat I guess, just a default pick that didn't really contribute at all to the game.

I guess alistar/vayne was suppose to be a kill lane vs kog'maw but lots of early game lane switching denied them that until it was too late.

Not even trying to contest dragon, as per normal, 3-4 dragons taken for free.

The one teamfight at baron was pretty bad. They could have waited a bit longer for Vayne to get there from bot lane, damage was split the melee all rushed in onto Kog and just couldn't even get close to killing him, Vayne can't get close or just gets hammered, forced to attack Soraka who has massive armor from heal + frozen heart. Damage split all around and no one from DIG dies.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 07 2012 03:42 GMT
#2080
Worst part is she'll probably become FOTM now because Dig succeeded with it and even if it's not OP it'll be OP because people assume something is good because people pick it a lot. She'll be OP until people forget about her and move on to the new thing that's been played a lot or until Riot completely nerfs her. It's a sad cycle.
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