EPTThey just exploited 2 broken champions which are way to powerful.
Now just drop it.
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henrikyo
Norway755 Posts
They just exploited 2 broken champions which are way to powerful. Now just drop it. | ||
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Spaceball
United States213 Posts
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Darkchylde
United States473 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:53 henrikyo wrote: THERE U HER IT, like i said, lulu is broken as i said: She has q: slow w: on ally (movement speed + ap) on enemy (poly) e: on ally (pix ally + shield) on enemy (pix attacks them and grants vision) r: 800 extra health and slow to all surround enemies What champion has all that? O_O I mentioned it a few pages back, but I accidently ran into this comp and Orianna works well too although she's more offensive centric. You have a slow enemy, speed ally, ball gives vision, a shield and trade the rest of the kit for extra armor/resistances, a displacement, and a significant amount of AoE damage. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
M5 does this by picking 3 bruisers so that at least one will be able to maintain therat thriughout the fight. Dig did it there by keeping mundo alive. The truth about protect comps is nothing is a better defense than a living disruptor. A single heal is not going to save a kog. Having to go through a mundo will stop you. Dignitas is running a comp predicated on keeping people, especially mundo, alive so that they can disrupt for kog to do his thing. The question here is is this any different from m5? The answer us no. its just the faces are different. You could run the same thing with ap nid and ap janna for the hp and sheild on the tank or whoever needed it and it would be just as good. In digs case, because they only run a single full disruptor, mundo, he is the key ti that lineup. His ult is that good. Even shyv woulnd work as well because she could be killed faster. Soraka is also way more important than lulu: she is also a damaging semitank thanks to her heal and starcall. Lulu is just there for the clutch ult, which while nice, isnt nearly as integral. Zil, janna, even lee sin can do that same job. The key with a protect comp isnt to look at the ad carry, or the support. Its to look at the tanks. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On April 07 2012 13:05 Juicyfruit wrote: Vs Dignitas's teamcomp you can run 2 late-game AD carries and win that way to be honest. Urgot as the 2nd ad carry might work. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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petered
United States1817 Posts
On April 07 2012 13:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The thing is most people dont get how protect comps work. They dont depend on the ad carry. They dont depend on the support. They depend on the tanky dps being able to stay alive and disrupt. M5 does this by picking 3 bruisers so that at least one will be able to maintain therat thriughout the fight. Dig did it there by keeping mundo alive. The truth about protect comps is nothing is a better defense than a living disruptor. A single heal is not going to save a kog. Having to go through a mundo will stop you. Dignitas is running a comp predicated on keeping oeiole, especially mundo, alive so that they can disrupt for kog to do his thing. The question here is is this any different from m5? The answer us no. its jusy the faces are different. You could run the same thing with ap nid and ap janna for the hp and sheild on the tank or whoever needed it and it would be just as good. In digs case, because they only run a single full disruptor, mundo, he is the key ti that lineup. His ult is that good. Even shyv woulnd work as well because she could be killed faster. Soraka is also way more important than lulu: she is also a damaging semitank thanks to her heal and starcall. Lulu is just there for the clutch ult, which while nice, isnt nearly as integral. Zil, janna, even lee sin can do that same job. The key with a protect comp isnt to look at the ad carry, or the support. Its to look at the tanks. Scarra himself said that the comp was built around soraka/lulu. The comp does depend on a heavy tank, but there are plenty of champs who can fill that role and there aren't any that could replace raka/lulu. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
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LaM
United States1321 Posts
On April 07 2012 12:44 Juicyfruit wrote: Uhh, no, Mundo is not ignorable late-game. But anyways, this teamcomp has generally a lot of permutations and I really do think the new meta of basically 1 hypercarry + 4 random mishmash of tank + support is going to be the new thing. I can't think of a better variation than the one they were running (Lulu, Soraka, Janna for supports - Mundo for a super tank from the jungle). There are probably lots of ways to ban that out (whether it's through the Lulu or Soraka/or by banning certain ADs as people have suggested) or pick against it (why don't we see MF/Trist against Soraka solo, where's the Veigar pick for guaranteed kills, where's Olaf for a true damage top who can't be chain CC'ed by all the support, etc...) I actually don't think this composition works after this event at the tourney level. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 07 2012 13:10 petered wrote: Scarra himself said that the comp was built around soraka/lulu. The comp does depend on a heavy tank, but there are plenty of champs who can fill that role and there aren't any that could replace raka/lulu. Gp galio to replace. Or shyvana ryze. Both turn that comp into something m5 would run. Both play the same way, with the same goal. All scarra is saying is that their tank is coming in the form of sora and lulu keeping everyone alive. Its really easy to replace them and have that comp work. I dont think rammus, or even shyv do as good a job as mundo in that comp because od everything he brings if he can live. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On April 07 2012 13:04 Two_DoWn wrote: The thing is most people dont get how protect comps work. They dont depend on the ad carry. They dont depend on the support. They depend on the tanky dps being able to stay alive and disrupt. M5 does this by picking 3 bruisers so that at least one will be able to maintain therat thriughout the fight. Dig did it there by keeping mundo alive. The truth about protect comps is nothing is a better defense than a living disruptor. A single heal is not going to save a kog. Having to go through a mundo will stop you. Dignitas is running a comp predicated on keeping people, especially mundo, alive so that they can disrupt for kog to do his thing. The question here is is this any different from m5? The answer us no. its just the faces are different. You could run the same thing with ap nid and ap janna for the hp and sheild on the tank or whoever needed it and it would be just as good. In digs case, because they only run a single full disruptor, mundo, he is the key ti that lineup. His ult is that good. Even shyv woulnd work as well because she could be killed faster. Soraka is also way more important than lulu: she is also a damaging semitank thanks to her heal and starcall. Lulu is just there for the clutch ult, which while nice, isnt nearly as integral. Zil, janna, even lee sin can do that same job. The key with a protect comp isnt to look at the ad carry, or the support. Its to look at the tanks. I could think of many 'living disruptors' who would do a better job lategame of peeling off the carry than Mundo. Sure, he may be the hardest to take down in a comp like that, but he has no physical way of stopping an assassin like, say, Akali or Talon from diving all over Kogmaw, never mind multiple people. Perhaps I phrased it badly earlier when I said he's ignorable...what I meant was that he has very little to no utility in a lategame teamfight short of medium sustainable AoE damage and single-target damage/slow otherwise. He cannot physically remove people from Kogmaw or keep him alive all that well, so if you dedicate a player or two to diving on top of that Kog and they can burst through the heals (which, arguably the support in that teamcomp prevents) then Mundo does nothing. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
scarra is such a cool guy | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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henrikyo
Norway755 Posts
156 free MR, and 170 armor. This turns 5500 HP into 14400 (on average) effective HP. Turns a squishy kog into a TANK. A tank with KOGMAW DAMAGE. | ||
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unichan
United States4223 Posts
On April 07 2012 13:24 BlackMagister wrote: Scarra has too much of a reputation as a good guy. Needs to be taken down a few notches. Everyone piles on stories about how they don't like Scarra. But the thing is his rage is so sweet too... like when he says rude stuff you just can't be mad cuz he's so obviously joking | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
his job isnt to peel. Sora and lulu are there to make sure everyone is alive. But mundo needs to tank for them, and fill the anti carry role. No one else could do that as well as him. Lulu and sora can save anyone from burst damage. Only mundo can shrug off sustained. Anyone else dies to the ad carry after eating the heals. And then dig is in a tough spot. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On April 07 2012 13:24 BlackMagister wrote: Scarra has too much of a reputation as a good guy. Needs to be taken down a few notches. Everyone piles on stories about how they don't like Scarra. nhat is actually a big douche. He's one of those people who tries too hard to be nice but he's actually a big doucher. Scarra is awesome tho. | ||
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