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starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 28 2012 22:33 GMT
#261
On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:
On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.


How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace?

Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly.


How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady.

It's more fair than requiring that one team play with a DC'd player.
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HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 22:51:38
January 28 2012 22:48 GMT
#262
On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:
On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.


How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace?

Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly.


How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady.



And CLG had vision of all 4 Mistral members at Baron. And knew that Mistral had to try to engage. Kennen jumping in and ulting was not in anyway a surprise. CLG knew exactly what was going on in this situation and as evidenced by the screenshot which I guess I have to repost TADA(In it, you will see Janna casting her ult Monsoon and Kennen at a little over half after being hit by at least one Kog R and some autoattacks), already were reacting. The only one not reacting was Froggen, because he COULDNT FUCKING MOVE HIS CHARACTER.

If Froggen dced, the pause was justified. If someone would like to claim that CLG.eu was lying about that, then step right up. But please stop saying that pausing when one of your teammates can't move his champion is shady.

SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
January 28 2012 22:51 GMT
#263
You are not replying to any point I made. Get your fanboyism out of here please.
HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 23:06:32
January 28 2012 22:58 GMT
#264
On January 29 2012 07:51 SirBlackJack wrote:
You are not replying to any point I made. Get your fanboyism out of here please.

You said the pause took all the momentum out of the attack, and prevented Mistral from taking advantage of their opponent's reaction time. I am saying that the attack had no momentum, and that CLG obviously already had reacted when the pause occurred, except for Froggen who was unable to react due to lagging out.

Furthermore, your points only make sense if CLG was taken off guard by Mistral's initiation and failed to react before the pause. If you would like to claim that those conditions occurred, be my guest.

I would also be most appreciative if you could explain why exactly the fight continuing with Froggen unable to control his champion would be preferable.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 28 2012 23:07 GMT
#265
i dont even know why you still argue about this since both teams were ok with it.
BluzMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Russian Federation4235 Posts
January 28 2012 23:33 GMT
#266
Best matches so far: M5 vs Sypher. Really close and really entertaining.
You want 20 good men, but you need a bad pussy.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
January 29 2012 03:28 GMT
#267
Yeah M5 v Sypher was really good besides game 3 where I felt sypher just collapsed a bit.

Best Single match of the tournament is probably mTl v CLGeu game 1, that was an insanely good game.
Go go Alliance.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 29 2012 05:29 GMT
#268
wish the semifinal vods were up...I wanna see Froggen's Anivia
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
January 29 2012 05:55 GMT
#269
mTl picked a lot of mobile champs so his usefullness was a bit limited by that but the vods are here: www.own3d.tv/OGamingTV (check the ogaming.tv international vods, have fun navigating it though ;P)
Go go Alliance.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 29 2012 08:44 GMT
#270
On January 29 2012 14:29 wherebugsgo wrote:
wish the semifinal vods were up...I wanna see Froggen's Anivia

CLGeu vs Mistral game 1:
http://www.own3d.tv/video/420455/OGamingTV_International__id_211743__Archive__2012-01-28_18_35_56_-_19_22_59_
http://www.own3d.tv/video/419345/OGamingTV_International__id_211743__Archive__2012-01-28_19_00_37_-_19_14_05_


CLGeu vs Mistral game 2:
http://www.own3d.tv/video/419457/OGamingTV_International__id_211743__Archive__2012-01-28_19_22_15_-_20_21_05_
Off-season = best season
Mios
Profile Joined April 2010
United States686 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 11:56:15
January 29 2012 09:06 GMT
#271
all matches
http://www.own3d.tv/videos/?search=211743 01-28


CLG.eu vs Sypher (group stage): http://www.own3d.tv/watch/418834
m5 vs Cypher game 1: http://www.own3d.tv/watch/418999
m5 vs Cypher game 2: http://www.own3d.tv/watch/419191
m5 vs Cypher game 3: + Show Spoiler +
http://www.own3d.tv/watch/419998

CLG.eu vs Mistral game 1: http://www.own3d.tv/watch/420455 & http://www.own3d.tv/watch/419345
CLG.eu vs Mistral game 2: http://www.own3d.tv/watch/419457
CLG.eu vs Mistral game 3: + Show Spoiler +
not needed
no LAN and intercontinental bnet = T_T
Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 10:48:05
January 29 2012 09:43 GMT
#272
On January 29 2012 18:06 Mios wrote:
all matches
http://www.own3d.tv/videos/?search=211743 01-28


Shame they arent marked in any way.

Edit: Love you long time for sorting those!
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Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
January 29 2012 10:01 GMT
#273
On January 29 2012 07:48 HPoirot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:
On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:
On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.


How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace?

Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly.


How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady.



And CLG had vision of all 4 Mistral members at Baron. And knew that Mistral had to try to engage. Kennen jumping in and ulting was not in anyway a surprise. CLG knew exactly what was going on in this situation and as evidenced by the screenshot which I guess I have to repost TADA(In it, you will see Janna casting her ult Monsoon and Kennen at a little over half after being hit by at least one Kog R and some autoattacks), already were reacting. The only one not reacting was Froggen, because he COULDNT FUCKING MOVE HIS CHARACTER.

If Froggen dced, the pause was justified. If someone would like to claim that CLG.eu was lying about that, then step right up. But please stop saying that pausing when one of your teammates can't move his champion is shady.



Not to mention that the one who paused (Snoopeh) is one of the most mannered guys in the community and if you spend any time at all on his stream, you would see this is something he simply would not do. Wickd I could question, but not Froggen and definitely not Snoopeh
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
January 29 2012 10:51 GMT
#274
On January 29 2012 19:01 Eishi_Ki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 07:48 HPoirot wrote:
On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:
On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:
On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.


How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace?

Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly.


How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady.



And CLG had vision of all 4 Mistral members at Baron. And knew that Mistral had to try to engage. Kennen jumping in and ulting was not in anyway a surprise. CLG knew exactly what was going on in this situation and as evidenced by the screenshot which I guess I have to repost TADA(In it, you will see Janna casting her ult Monsoon and Kennen at a little over half after being hit by at least one Kog R and some autoattacks), already were reacting. The only one not reacting was Froggen, because he COULDNT FUCKING MOVE HIS CHARACTER.

If Froggen dced, the pause was justified. If someone would like to claim that CLG.eu was lying about that, then step right up. But please stop saying that pausing when one of your teammates can't move his champion is shady.



Not to mention that the one who paused (Snoopeh) is one of the most mannered guys in the community and if you spend any time at all on his stream, you would see this is something he simply would not do. Wickd I could question, but not Froggen and definitely not Snoopeh


Yeah.. I over-reacted a bit. I'm always suspicious of western ESPORTS because of its long history of people abusing the smallest possible advantages, so at first it felt like it was just going to be the next minor scandal.
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fuzzbox
Profile Joined February 2010
235 Posts
January 29 2012 11:51 GMT
#275
On January 29 2012 19:51 Niton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 19:01 Eishi_Ki wrote:
On January 29 2012 07:48 HPoirot wrote:
On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:
On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:
On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.


How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace?

Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly.


How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady.



And CLG had vision of all 4 Mistral members at Baron. And knew that Mistral had to try to engage. Kennen jumping in and ulting was not in anyway a surprise. CLG knew exactly what was going on in this situation and as evidenced by the screenshot which I guess I have to repost TADA(In it, you will see Janna casting her ult Monsoon and Kennen at a little over half after being hit by at least one Kog R and some autoattacks), already were reacting. The only one not reacting was Froggen, because he COULDNT FUCKING MOVE HIS CHARACTER.

If Froggen dced, the pause was justified. If someone would like to claim that CLG.eu was lying about that, then step right up. But please stop saying that pausing when one of your teammates can't move his champion is shady.



Not to mention that the one who paused (Snoopeh) is one of the most mannered guys in the community and if you spend any time at all on his stream, you would see this is something he simply would not do. Wickd I could question, but not Froggen and definitely not Snoopeh


Yeah.. I over-reacted a bit. I'm always suspicious of western ESPORTS because of its long history of people abusing the smallest possible advantages, so at first it felt like it was just going to be the next minor scandal.


man, it's the same in all sports. they're here to win, first and foremost. watch some soccer, or any professional sport. if they can get a foul, they will dive for it.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22630 Posts
January 29 2012 17:35 GMT
#276
3e/4th place match will begin soon.

http://www.own3d.tv/live/211743/OGamingTV_International
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
January 29 2012 17:48 GMT
#277
Finally a ramoose.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 17:51:17
January 29 2012 17:50 GMT
#278
Ehh why would you do Soraka with an AD kennen. Maybe Morg bot. Imo that would make more sense than pairing Soraka with a manaless champ, but then they will have no AD damage.
banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
January 29 2012 17:54 GMT
#279
Anyone else worried sypher will not have enough damage, and no real easy way to reach the kog with sona/veigar/ali stuns.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
January 29 2012 17:55 GMT
#280
I don't feel sypher is taking this seriously. Picking singed first was asking for it.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
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