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On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.
How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace? Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly. How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady.
It's more fair than requiring that one team play with a DC'd player.
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On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.
How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace? Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly. How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady.
And CLG had vision of all 4 Mistral members at Baron. And knew that Mistral had to try to engage. Kennen jumping in and ulting was not in anyway a surprise. CLG knew exactly what was going on in this situation and as evidenced by the screenshot which I guess I have to repost TADA(In it, you will see Janna casting her ult Monsoon and Kennen at a little over half after being hit by at least one Kog R and some autoattacks), already were reacting. The only one not reacting was Froggen, because he COULDNT FUCKING MOVE HIS CHARACTER.
If Froggen dced, the pause was justified. If someone would like to claim that CLG.eu was lying about that, then step right up. But please stop saying that pausing when one of your teammates can't move his champion is shady.
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You are not replying to any point I made. Get your fanboyism out of here please.
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On January 29 2012 07:51 SirBlackJack wrote:
You are not replying to any point I made. Get your fanboyism out of here please.
You said the pause took all the momentum out of the attack, and prevented Mistral from taking advantage of their opponent's reaction time. I am saying that the attack had no momentum, and that CLG obviously already had reacted when the pause occurred, except for Froggen who was unable to react due to lagging out.
Furthermore, your points only make sense if CLG was taken off guard by Mistral's initiation and failed to react before the pause. If you would like to claim that those conditions occurred, be my guest.
I would also be most appreciative if you could explain why exactly the fight continuing with Froggen unable to control his champion would be preferable.
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i dont even know why you still argue about this since both teams were ok with it.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Best matches so far: M5 vs Sypher. Really close and really entertaining.
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Yeah M5 v Sypher was really good besides game 3 where I felt sypher just collapsed a bit.
Best Single match of the tournament is probably mTl v CLGeu game 1, that was an insanely good game.
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wish the semifinal vods were up...I wanna see Froggen's Anivia 
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mTl picked a lot of mobile champs so his usefullness was a bit limited by that but the vods are here: www.own3d.tv/OGamingTV (check the ogaming.tv international vods, have fun navigating it though ;P)
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Shame they arent marked in any way.
Edit: Love you long time for sorting those!
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On January 29 2012 07:48 HPoirot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.
How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace? Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly. How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady. And CLG had vision of all 4 Mistral members at Baron. And knew that Mistral had to try to engage. Kennen jumping in and ulting was not in anyway a surprise. CLG knew exactly what was going on in this situation and as evidenced by the screenshot which I guess I have to repost TADA(In it, you will see Janna casting her ult Monsoon and Kennen at a little over half after being hit by at least one Kog R and some autoattacks), already were reacting. The only one not reacting was Froggen, because he COULDNT FUCKING MOVE HIS CHARACTER. If Froggen dced, the pause was justified. If someone would like to claim that CLG.eu was lying about that, then step right up. But please stop saying that pausing when one of your teammates can't move his champion is shady.
Not to mention that the one who paused (Snoopeh) is one of the most mannered guys in the community and if you spend any time at all on his stream, you would see this is something he simply would not do. Wickd I could question, but not Froggen and definitely not Snoopeh
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On January 29 2012 19:01 Eishi_Ki wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 07:48 HPoirot wrote:On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.
How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace? Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly. How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady. And CLG had vision of all 4 Mistral members at Baron. And knew that Mistral had to try to engage. Kennen jumping in and ulting was not in anyway a surprise. CLG knew exactly what was going on in this situation and as evidenced by the screenshot which I guess I have to repost TADA(In it, you will see Janna casting her ult Monsoon and Kennen at a little over half after being hit by at least one Kog R and some autoattacks), already were reacting. The only one not reacting was Froggen, because he COULDNT FUCKING MOVE HIS CHARACTER. If Froggen dced, the pause was justified. If someone would like to claim that CLG.eu was lying about that, then step right up. But please stop saying that pausing when one of your teammates can't move his champion is shady. Not to mention that the one who paused (Snoopeh) is one of the most mannered guys in the community and if you spend any time at all on his stream, you would see this is something he simply would not do. Wickd I could question, but not Froggen and definitely not Snoopeh
Yeah.. I over-reacted a bit. I'm always suspicious of western ESPORTS because of its long history of people abusing the smallest possible advantages, so at first it felt like it was just going to be the next minor scandal.
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On January 29 2012 19:51 Niton wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 19:01 Eishi_Ki wrote:On January 29 2012 07:48 HPoirot wrote:On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.
How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace? Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly. How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady. And CLG had vision of all 4 Mistral members at Baron. And knew that Mistral had to try to engage. Kennen jumping in and ulting was not in anyway a surprise. CLG knew exactly what was going on in this situation and as evidenced by the screenshot which I guess I have to repost TADA(In it, you will see Janna casting her ult Monsoon and Kennen at a little over half after being hit by at least one Kog R and some autoattacks), already were reacting. The only one not reacting was Froggen, because he COULDNT FUCKING MOVE HIS CHARACTER. If Froggen dced, the pause was justified. If someone would like to claim that CLG.eu was lying about that, then step right up. But please stop saying that pausing when one of your teammates can't move his champion is shady. Not to mention that the one who paused (Snoopeh) is one of the most mannered guys in the community and if you spend any time at all on his stream, you would see this is something he simply would not do. Wickd I could question, but not Froggen and definitely not Snoopeh Yeah.. I over-reacted a bit. I'm always suspicious of western ESPORTS because of its long history of people abusing the smallest possible advantages, so at first it felt like it was just going to be the next minor scandal.
man, it's the same in all sports. they're here to win, first and foremost. watch some soccer, or any professional sport. if they can get a foul, they will dive for it.
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Ehh why would you do Soraka with an AD kennen. Maybe Morg bot. Imo that would make more sense than pairing Soraka with a manaless champ, but then they will have no AD damage.
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Anyone else worried sypher will not have enough damage, and no real easy way to reach the kog with sona/veigar/ali stuns.
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I don't feel sypher is taking this seriously. Picking singed first was asking for it.
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