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Xevious
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2086 Posts
January 28 2012 20:15 GMT
#241
dat pause
Hakker
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1360 Posts
January 28 2012 20:15 GMT
#242
holy fuck, anivia is just a beautiful champion when played properly and with team support.
Lancer723
Profile Joined September 2011
United States486 Posts
January 28 2012 20:16 GMT
#243
Angush channeling doublelift, getting caught which gave baron, then farming bottom while his team gets dove at the inhib.
LoL ID - Lancer723 Gold III
DanielZKlein
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1171 Posts
January 28 2012 20:20 GMT
#244
mTL said "np" about the pause, so that wasn't what won CLG the game. Great game though!
My modesty is awesome.
dooraven
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia2820 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 20:23:19
January 28 2012 20:22 GMT
#245
On January 29 2012 05:14 Niton wrote:
That pause smells really strongly of cheating tbh, the timing is so suspicious and completely killed mtL's momentum going into the fight :/


I really don't see why CLG would cheat on this, they were at a 1-0 advantage going into the match and if they lost they would have been at 1-1. They're also good friends with mtl.tt. The pause timing was really really unfortunate though.
Go go Alliance.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 28 2012 20:23 GMT
#246
On January 29 2012 03:34 TofuFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 03:29 Two_DoWn wrote:
So anyone care to tell who won the first semi so I can update the op?


M5; readmore.de has Picks and Bans.


hahaha, their icon for Sona is just her tits
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 28 2012 20:27 GMT
#247
Methinks froggen is insane. Mejaj Mogs anivia.
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HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
January 28 2012 20:29 GMT
#248
On January 29 2012 05:14 Niton wrote:
That pause smells really strongly of cheating tbh, the timing is so suspicious and completely killed mtL's momentum going into the fight :/

Anivia had stopped moving for a few seconds while attempting to zone out Mistral and left her ult running in a position where it wouldn't hit anyone. Seeing as how Froggen isn't an idiot and knows how to play Anivia, we can assume that he probably was telling the truth about being stuck. It doesn't smell strongly of cheating at all if you were paying attention.
wikid
Profile Joined January 2009
Sweden300 Posts
January 28 2012 20:32 GMT
#249
when is the final played?
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 20:34:51
January 28 2012 20:33 GMT
#250
On January 29 2012 05:29 HPoirot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 05:14 Niton wrote:
That pause smells really strongly of cheating tbh, the timing is so suspicious and completely killed mtL's momentum going into the fight :/

Anivia had stopped moving for a few seconds while attempting to zone out Mistral and left her ult running in a position where it wouldn't hit anyone. Seeing as how Froggen isn't an idiot and knows how to play Anivia, we can assume that he probably was telling the truth about being stuck. It doesn't smell strongly of cheating at all if you were paying attention.


I don't think it's possible for a 1-minute pause to not rouse suspicion when it comes as a teamfight starts, though. Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.

Short of a visible disconnect, a team pausing the game as they're being initiated on is pretty much always at least a little suspicious.
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warscythes
Profile Joined December 2011
365 Posts
January 28 2012 20:52 GMT
#251
Yes it is a bit suspicious, but Janna ulted before the pause.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
January 28 2012 20:54 GMT
#252
On January 29 2012 05:32 wikid wrote:
when is the final played?

3rd/4th is tomorrow, Finals are sometime Tuesday.
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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
January 28 2012 21:06 GMT
#253
yeah well obviously pause rules needs to be polished, this is kinda new so it's normal there are situations like that
wikid
Profile Joined January 2009
Sweden300 Posts
January 28 2012 21:07 GMT
#254
On January 29 2012 05:54 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 05:32 wikid wrote:
when is the final played?

3rd/4th is tomorrow, Finals are sometime Tuesday.


thanks
HPoirot
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1303 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 21:28:28
January 28 2012 21:22 GMT
#255
On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.


How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace?

Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 21:58:58
January 28 2012 21:58 GMT
#256
Ideally, they would have a referee type system where one team would call for a pause and the ref would pause the game instead of the players (Riot seems to be pretty behind on observer features, so I doubt this will happen any time soon). I'm not really alright with one team pausing right in the middle of an engagement, but then again if you don't have vision on them it's hard to know what the other team is up to. I don't think that this was an abuse of pause, but there's nothing to say that it won't happen in the future.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 28 2012 21:58 GMT
#257
On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:
Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control.

Speaking of VODs, are they already uploaded anywhere?
Off-season = best season
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
January 28 2012 22:08 GMT
#258
On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.


How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace?

Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly.


How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 22:11:29
January 28 2012 22:11 GMT
#259
On January 29 2012 07:08 SirBlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:
On January 29 2012 05:33 Niton wrote:
Even if it is legitimate, it's really shady to pause exactly at the moment where your team is supposed to be making split-second decisions.


How is it shady to pause for a legitimate reason at any point? What the fuck? CLG pauses there or they fight without Froggen. If they lose that fight and then end up losing the game, all because Froggen lagged out for a few seconds, then we're back to where we were a year ago. The pause feature was fucking added so shit like the Westrice DC at dreamhack wouldn't ruin tournaments anymore. Why even add the pause feature if teams are "shady" and "suspicious" for using it at critical junctures? Am I only allowed to pause if my teammate lags out while attacking the nexus after an ace?

Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control. Him not being in the fight would have had a much bigger impact on the game's outcome than the pause, especially since Janna had already made her "split-second decision". Putting CLG under suspicion for a completely legitimate use of pause, one that Mistral said was "np", is just silly.


How is it fair to the team initating? They are trying to take advantage of the reaction time of the opponent. By pausing you take the whole momentum out of the attack. You can coordinate with your team to attack whom and when. This is game deciding. It is shady.




except janna allready counter initiated.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 22:26:29
January 28 2012 22:22 GMT
#260
On January 29 2012 06:58 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2012 06:22 HPoirot wrote:
Watch the VODs, pay attention to Anivia, and its reasonably clear that something is up with Froggen's control.

Speaking of VODs, are they already uploaded anywhere?

http://www.own3d.tv/user/OGamingTV

They're all on Own3d.tv they're just not labled, like this vod.
+ Show Spoiler +
SK vs exGBT
http://www.own3d.tv/video/417102/OGamingTV_International__id_211743__Archive__2012-01-27_18_30_56_-_19_30_56_

SK vs Mistral
http://www.own3d.tv/video/417421/OGamingTV_International__id_211743__Archive__2012-01-27_19_30_56_-_20_30_02_

CLG vs MTL game 2
http://www.own3d.tv/user/OGamingTV#/watch/419457

etc. Too lazy to label every vid.
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