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At any point of IEM Kiev, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. (e.g. "Day 2: M5 hype was everything people expected")

At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Kiev but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament.

Thanks.

Neo, 20.1.2012
raf3776
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1904 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 16:36:05
January 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#4241
Worst part is its free shyvanna week T.T
WWJD (What Would Jaedong Do)
Shanba
Profile Joined October 2010
Scotland144 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 16:37:22
January 22 2012 16:36 GMT
#4242
On January 23 2012 01:24 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:20 RogerX wrote:
Just checked out reddit and the LoL forums.

Everyones going crazy about TRM, I feel sorry for him and his kind of foreseeable future :S


He isn't necessarily going to get benched because of getting stomped in the finals. We need to know what went through TSM's minds when that Irelia came up. TRM does have some things to adjust in his play, maybe learn a couple more champions and figure out strats with TSM, but he shouldn't be getting all the blame for their loss.

More champions? He plays a bunch of champions already - tryndamere, irelia, trundle, udyr, teemo, yorick just off the top of my head. The crazy thing about the irelia pick is just about any of his other champions would have been better and offered more control in top lane.

EDIT: Irelia got picked like every game this tournament. Is she considered op in tournament setting or something?
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13845 Posts
January 22 2012 16:37 GMT
#4243
On January 23 2012 01:34 raf3776 wrote:
Worst part is its free shyvanna week T.T


thats the best part. Do you know how many people are going to try and use shyv and fail off their ass's.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
fantasticoranges
Profile Joined July 2011
1327 Posts
January 22 2012 16:38 GMT
#4244
On January 23 2012 01:36 Shanba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:24 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:20 RogerX wrote:
Just checked out reddit and the LoL forums.

Everyones going crazy about TRM, I feel sorry for him and his kind of foreseeable future :S


He isn't necessarily going to get benched because of getting stomped in the finals. We need to know what went through TSM's minds when that Irelia came up. TRM does have some things to adjust in his play, maybe learn a couple more champions and figure out strats with TSM, but he shouldn't be getting all the blame for their loss.

More champions? He plays a bunch of champions already - tryndamere, irelia, trundle, udyr, teemo, yorick just off the top of my head. The crazy thing about the irelia pick is just about any of his other champions would have been better and offered more control in top lane.

EDIT: Irelia got picked like every game this tournament. Is she considered op in tournament setting or something?


She's a safe pick that should be able to tie with just about anyone, esp if it goes to a passive lane farm off.

But that doesn't work anymore, as shown by m5.
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
January 22 2012 16:40 GMT
#4245
The whole tournament was characterized by one team gaining a seemingly small advantage early on and then just snowballing from there, to where almost every game was a one sided stomp with very little back and forth or any sign of a comeback.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
January 22 2012 16:40 GMT
#4246
In other news, fnatic already trying Shyvana top.
currently rooting for myself.
Emnel
Profile Joined October 2011
Greece384 Posts
January 22 2012 16:46 GMT
#4247
Good, i hope they will kick some moskow ass in next weeks tournament.
Nasus feeds as he pleases.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
January 22 2012 16:50 GMT
#4248
As more people try it out, more strengths/weaknesses will be found. Personally I think more weaknesses than anything as the gameplan is pretty much laid out thanks to m5.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 16:52:13
January 22 2012 16:51 GMT
#4249
On January 23 2012 01:13 kidd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:01 Doctorbeat wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:00 daemir wrote:
Baylife

I still stand by it, it's a mistake not banning shyvana after seeing it be so good so many times. Teams ban LB vs TSM coz regi plays it, M5 banned cass in last game.


I think TSM wanted M5 not to switch their game.


Shyvana ban isn't what was needed, a better top was needed. Darien bullied every single top in this tournament and that turned into jungle losing which turned into mid then bottom losing (if those lanes weren't already losing). Darien was 2x oddone's level in game three because he'd push top then go steal jungle. I really have no clue why irelia was chosen.

I like TSM as a team and was rooting for them even though I dislike a few of their personalities, but this tournament just shows that they need a better top player and a less passive (personality) jungler. Dyrus + saint

And just wow at diamond getting mvp over darien lol.

I don't agree with you at all. TRM and TOO are both great players, with great mechanics, and they already knows how to play a bunch of heroes. You don't need to change such composition, it's dumb, you will ruin everything they already built together... not to mention they got 2nd and destroyed M5 in the second game ?
They just need to brain more their pick, M5 was a class above everyone for picking. They don't have huge judgement on heroes, they just take what is needed to win their lane. I remember watching TOO's stream some weeks ago and saintvicious telling him that shyvana was a huge jungler, and TOO saying "No, she's bad, I don't like it"... and now look at M5 just crushing face with a shyvana that was actually doing everything (counter jungling, gaining little of advantage everywhere, she was the best hero hands down here).

Also I think against M5, everything is about controlling your own jungle, and TSM just failed to do it in the third game.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
January 22 2012 16:53 GMT
#4250
On January 23 2012 01:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:
As more people try it out, more strengths/weaknesses will be found. Personally I think more weaknesses than anything as the gameplan is pretty much laid out thanks to m5.

The first part is undoubtably true. The level of counter-jungling they were doing with Shyv is almost a shift in the meta. Or at least it's not something anyone's used to dealing with. You basically have to play against her like you're playing against Singed, she gets that tanky and has that much speed. I imagine some weaknesses will be discovered going forward and people will figure out how to deal with her.

That said, I don't think M5 will be hurt too much. They seem too well-coordinated to let losing this strategy be their downfall. :-)
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
January 22 2012 16:54 GMT
#4251
On January 23 2012 01:33 teamsolid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:26 Shikyo wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:25 nojitosunrise wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:24 teamsolid wrote:
Holy crap, there were 230K people watching the LoL stream? Just how many people exactly play this game?



millions

10mil+ as far as I know

What about the peak # of users on a day-to-day basis actually in the game. Just wondering about how successful Riot is in actually promoting LoL as an e-sport. E.g. If there's normally 500K active users, 230K watching the tournament would be quite impressive


1.3 million concurrent (only EU + NA)
GARO
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2255 Posts
January 22 2012 17:24 GMT
#4252
On January 23 2012 01:05 Emnel wrote:
And now im thinking about all those HoN and DotA games where people keep afk farmign their jungle al 60minutes+ game long. Higher skill my ass

Thank goodness you have no idea about either of those games then.
Papvin
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark610 Posts
January 22 2012 17:30 GMT
#4253
Just a little fanboying. Just checked out Darien's account on EU west. His most played:
Gankplank (35-5, 87,5%)
Riven (26-3, 89,7%)
Irelia (22-5, 81,5%)
Shyvana (17-3, 85%)
...
Lol...
"It's criminally negligent to dismiss Rock's contributions to other people's careers", Dukethegold
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
January 22 2012 17:31 GMT
#4254
On January 23 2012 02:30 Papvin wrote:
Just a little fanboying. Just checked out Darien's account on EU west. His most played:
Gankplank (35-5, 87,5%)
Riven (26-3, 89,7%)
Irelia (22-5, 81,5%)
Shyvana (17-3, 85%)
...
Lol...

LOL
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 17:40:29
January 22 2012 17:35 GMT
#4255
On January 23 2012 01:54 nojitosunrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:33 teamsolid wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:26 Shikyo wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:25 nojitosunrise wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:24 teamsolid wrote:
Holy crap, there were 230K people watching the LoL stream? Just how many people exactly play this game?



millions

10mil+ as far as I know

What about the peak # of users on a day-to-day basis actually in the game. Just wondering about how successful Riot is in actually promoting LoL as an e-sport. E.g. If there's normally 500K active users, 230K watching the tournament would be quite impressive


1.3 million concurrent (only EU + NA)

dont know about now, but Chinese server had 800k (peak) concurrent during the beta

and in fact, China ladder have split to about 10 servers , and they are adding more, LOL... so EUW EUNe shit is not even a big deal, EU ppl should not cry...

these servers been called Demacia, Tiamat, Ionia etcs...

Chinese internet OP
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 22 2012 17:43 GMT
#4256
On January 23 2012 02:35 emucxg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:54 nojitosunrise wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:33 teamsolid wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:26 Shikyo wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:25 nojitosunrise wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:24 teamsolid wrote:
Holy crap, there were 230K people watching the LoL stream? Just how many people exactly play this game?



millions

10mil+ as far as I know

What about the peak # of users on a day-to-day basis actually in the game. Just wondering about how successful Riot is in actually promoting LoL as an e-sport. E.g. If there's normally 500K active users, 230K watching the tournament would be quite impressive


1.3 million concurrent (only EU + NA)

dont know about now, but Chinese server had 800k (peak) concurrent during the beta

and in fact, China ladder have split to about 10 servers , and they are adding more, LOL... so EUW EUNe shit is not even a big deal, EU ppl should not cry...

these servers been called Demacia, Tiamat, Ionia etcs...

Chinese internet OP


Pretty damn cool to be naming the server you log into by LoL lore.
Almost has a WoW feel to it, lawlz.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
January 22 2012 17:48 GMT
#4257
On January 23 2012 02:43 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 02:35 emucxg wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:54 nojitosunrise wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:33 teamsolid wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:26 Shikyo wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:25 nojitosunrise wrote:
On January 23 2012 01:24 teamsolid wrote:
Holy crap, there were 230K people watching the LoL stream? Just how many people exactly play this game?



millions

10mil+ as far as I know

What about the peak # of users on a day-to-day basis actually in the game. Just wondering about how successful Riot is in actually promoting LoL as an e-sport. E.g. If there's normally 500K active users, 230K watching the tournament would be quite impressive


1.3 million concurrent (only EU + NA)

dont know about now, but Chinese server had 800k (peak) concurrent during the beta

and in fact, China ladder have split to about 10 servers , and they are adding more, LOL... so EUW EUNe shit is not even a big deal, EU ppl should not cry...

these servers been called Demacia, Tiamat, Ionia etcs...

Chinese internet OP


Pretty damn cool to be naming the server you log into by LoL lore.
Almost has a WoW feel to it, lawlz.

I hear people in SC2 get placed into Omega Baneling Ultralisk Theta or something.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Makavw
Profile Joined April 2010
Croatia165 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-22 17:55:23
January 22 2012 17:53 GMT
#4258
Yea but thats Sc2divisions, the most retarded thing they manged to implement into starcraft.
Imagine if all lol playerbase was dived in division in which there are only 100 players per divison...

I really dont understand the sc2 ladder system, its so bad people need to use third party websites to compere themselves with eachother.
ELO lol system is probable the best possible ladder system in any multiplayer game that tracks your stats.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21592 Posts
January 22 2012 17:55 GMT
#4259
On January 23 2012 01:24 teamsolid wrote:
Holy crap, there were 230K people watching the LoL stream? Just how many people exactly play this game?


Every day, over 1.4 million players log on to play League of Legends
There are over 15 million registered accounts
Between NA and EU servers, peak concurrency has reached 500,000 players
Players spend an aggregate total of 3.7 million hours in-game every day
The official League of Legends site gets 6 million hits a day
League of Legends YouTube videos have nearly 100 million views
Over 1,690,000 viewers tuned into the online broadcast of the League of Legends Season One Championship, with concurrent viewership peaking at over 210,000

Numbers from July last year.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
January 22 2012 17:58 GMT
#4260
On January 23 2012 02:55 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2012 01:24 teamsolid wrote:
Holy crap, there were 230K people watching the LoL stream? Just how many people exactly play this game?


Every day, over 1.4 million players log on to play League of Legends
There are over 15 million registered accounts
Between NA and EU servers, peak concurrency has reached 500,000 players
Players spend an aggregate total of 3.7 million hours in-game every day
The official League of Legends site gets 6 million hits a day
League of Legends YouTube videos have nearly 100 million views
Over 1,690,000 viewers tuned into the online broadcast of the League of Legends Season One Championship, with concurrent viewership peaking at over 210,000

Numbers from July last year.



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