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At any point of IEM Kiev, if you think of an interesting byline, please drop a sentence in the Pro Scene thread. (e.g. "Day 2: M5 hype was everything people expected")

At the end of the month, I'll catalogue the results of Kiev but also any interesting facts or events that happen over the course of the tournament.

Thanks.

Neo, 20.1.2012
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 21 2012 16:05 GMT
#2201
Yea things happen in scrims, but this tournament M5 has the momentum going into the finals, they've gone 5-0 on their first(?) offline event.

No small feat.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 16:06 GMT
#2202
On January 22 2012 01:04 necrosed wrote:
"You see hero, you kill hero".


I see this becoming a new LoL meme real soon...
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
January 21 2012 16:06 GMT
#2203
Ocelote is a good interviewee even in defeat.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
January 21 2012 16:07 GMT
#2204
this russian translator so OP, how can he remember all shit somebody just said -.-
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 21 2012 16:08 GMT
#2205
anybody with that top has super memory
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 16:09:38
January 21 2012 16:08 GMT
#2206
Zenon: I'm going to be mean and ask... Oce, describe this Bo3.
Oce: First game was fine. But second game... second game was a stomp.
Zenon: Well Genja, did you expect the games to be this clear or did you expect more?
Genja: We watched SK and we play a lot and we prepared really good. We expected the same from SK but as you see... ahahah... we played a lot better.

Zenon: You left Shyvananana open. People say Diamondprox was central to M5's strategy. Why did you not ban them?
Oce: It wouldn't matter. Right now, they're better. That's just it. They played better. If we played 10 Bo3s, they'd win 7 or 8. But we will get better. We will get better.

Zenon: Well Genja, you're not a fan or damage items. You tend to go Wriggles->PD nearly all the time. Why is that? Is it a team thing or is it an individual choice?
Genja: The first item he wants is PD because the M5 strategy is to get together and go to jungle and kill people. So PD lets him move faster and kill people.

Zenon: The first game we saw a Sona-Morde-Shyvananana combo beating up Rammus. Oce, why did you keep farming and not help?
Oce: Mid-pick Anivia was for teamfights. Weak early game. We knew this would happen and we placed our faith in teamfights and not laning. They used strong lanes to kill jungle, we used weak lanes to win teamfights.

Zenon: So then, the type of gameplay from M5 is different from everything we've ever seen. You press the kill switch and then go for someone without question instantly. Who are you most afraid of? Who in EU can challenge you?
Genja: Any team could do the same. The way to kill other heros so fast is you see hero, you kill hero. It's not special. You just need to co-ordinate.

Zenon: You still have 3rd place match left. You're going to face either TSM or Dignitas. Who would you rather face? Do you have any other comments?
Oce: Anything other than first is losing. But you can't always win so it's fine. We will learn from this. We don't mind facing either TSM or Dignitas. I'm friends with both and I want them both to go through. To the SK Fans, you must be disappointed at us. Our aim is Hannover and we're going to train. We're hope to bring you victories. No, we're going to bring you victories. Wait for us. We'll show you.

Zenon: Final question to Genja. Tomorrow in the finals, there's one team you'd particularly like to meet: TSM. It'll be decided in the next semis. How do you feel about taking on TSM? People say they're scarier in LANs than online. How do you feel?
Genja: We don't realy care who we play. We're prepared for both, and we know what to do against both. We'll just win.
Zenon: Will you drop even a single game in the entire tournament? You're currently undefeated.
Genja: No. Lol.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 16:09:23
January 21 2012 16:09 GMT
#2207
I wanna see m5 win the whole tourney
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
January 21 2012 16:09 GMT
#2208
On January 22 2012 01:09 epoc wrote:
I wanna see m5 win the whole tourney


I wanna see M5 go flawless this tourney.

That would be quite the feat.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
January 21 2012 16:09 GMT
#2209
hour til next games?
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
January 21 2012 16:10 GMT
#2210
1 hr till next game unless Daniel lied again :D
Sicariidae
Profile Joined May 2011
50 Posts
January 21 2012 16:10 GMT
#2211
To be honest, Moscow 5 picking strong lanes for Shyvana is what makes her so strong.

Just look at what Shyvanas main weakness is: her lack of CC for ganks. But, when you run lanes like Irelia or Gankplank top, Ryze mid, and Nunu, Taric or Sona as support, you have all the CC you need for successful ganks.

That weakness is the main reason she isn't really seen as a top solo queue jungler where people rely on champions like Maokai, Skarner or Lee Sin who can just gank for any champion.

Another thing that impressed me was the route Shyvana took initially. Wraiths -> Red -> Golems -> Wraiths -> Wolves -> Blue instead of the standard Wolves -> Blue -> Wraiths.

Both routes clear the same camps and both reach level 4 at the same time. However, it syncs your Red timer up with their Blue and vice-versa. So, if you are putting emphasis on stealing their buffs, you will meet them in the river if they go for yours, instead of allowing them to just swing around and trade.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 16:10:32
January 21 2012 16:10 GMT
#2212
On January 22 2012 01:08 RogerX wrote:
anybody with that top has super memory

I wish i had that talent in my school lol
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
January 21 2012 16:11 GMT
#2213
Chiharu Harukaze is OP lol <3
RogerX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
New Zealand3180 Posts
January 21 2012 16:12 GMT
#2214
I want to go for M5 but I can;t stop being a TSM fanboy. :/
Stick it up. take it up. step aside and see the world
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3050 Posts
January 21 2012 16:13 GMT
#2215
My only wish left is to see an Ezreal. Make it happen.
End my suffering
Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
January 21 2012 16:13 GMT
#2216
Every tournament has a team that everyone falls in love with, M5 this one. They have played impressive, but this is TSM's tournament to win. Regibro4lyfe!
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 16:13:36
January 21 2012 16:13 GMT
#2217


LOLOL gonna be da best finals ever
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
January 21 2012 16:14 GMT
#2218
Damn, had to miss the first series, game one sounded especially good. Hopefully TSM will put out a good showing, I'm excited for those matches!
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
January 21 2012 16:15 GMT
#2219
Well tbh M5 jungler wasn't even really ganking lanes much was he? He was bringing the fights at objectives, not lanes, then farming and denying vision (oracles). So that's like totally simply playing to the strenghts of the champion, why try force ganks when the toolset simply isn't there? Helps ofc that his lanes were very self sufficient and that GP renekton..urg god that was ugly.
DanielZKlein
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1171 Posts
January 21 2012 16:17 GMT
#2220
Yeah, sorry for misleading you there on the timing of the next semis, I had crazy static on my earpiece and couldn't make out what they were telling me. So I just guessed.

Shyvanananana didn't HAVE to gank is the thing. They FORCED SK to fight in their forest for their own objectives all the time, and they just won all those fights. Impressive, really, and I love how chill those guys are. You see hero, you kill hero indeed.
My modesty is awesome.
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