EPTLux has a couple really big weaknesses, there is a reason she is not first tier, and I find this build mitigates those weaknesses as much as possible without sacrificing her ability to kill any squishy target with a combo. I am by no means a perfect player and maybe I just suck too bad at farming to hit the timings necessary to make ludens - void work. Either way I look forward to the math.
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
Lux has a couple really big weaknesses, there is a reason she is not first tier, and I find this build mitigates those weaknesses as much as possible without sacrificing her ability to kill any squishy target with a combo. I am by no means a perfect player and maybe I just suck too bad at farming to hit the timings necessary to make ludens - void work. Either way I look forward to the math. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On July 29 2015 10:05 Ketara wrote: Waveclear issues are def. a big deal for Lux. Right behind needing a sexy teacher skin. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4985 Posts
The idea is the mana and 40% cdr to spam your e without relying on blue buff, you'll hit enough e's to slowly wear people down when sieging and you practically never have to go back. Your ult at lvl 16 is at 30 seconds. Obviously it's a slower build, I don't know if it's stronger or anything, but it feels really good rushing 40% cdr with the tear stacking your mana. I guess this may be a stronger build if they have a more tanky game, but I'm not completely sure. Also, I feel she's not too bad at the moment with all your Viktors and other control mages in the game at the moment. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On July 29 2015 09:58 Velocirapture wrote: It is up to you guys but I am not 100% sure this is an issue which can be resolved entirely by calculating which does more damage to champions as a 6500 gold item timing. Going D-cap second basically allows you to maintain instant waveclear with one E for the entire game after 11 minutes (something I value highly as a mage especially in this meta) and going ludens into void does not maintain that in my experience. Additionally, if you go for mana/CDR after void/sorc you are extending the waveclear weakness until 3rd big item completion at least (sometimes 3 1/2 if the game is a little rough). Lux has a couple really big weaknesses, there is a reason she is not first tier, and I find this build mitigates those weaknesses as much as possible without sacrificing her ability to kill any squishy target with a combo. I am by no means a perfect player and maybe I just suck too bad at farming to hit the timings necessary to make ludens - void work. Either way I look forward to the math. How much is your build dependent on blue buff? I'm curious whether having blue buff is an assumption in that build, i.e., is it a build made viable by blue buff tiding you over for mana, or is it viable even without blue buff, and very strong with blue buff? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Uldridge
Belgium4985 Posts
I'll have to check it out how punished this can actually be though | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On July 30 2015 00:35 Uldridge wrote: You kinda have the luxury to not trade as lux though.. your ult is already on a low cooldown, your fast second tier boots allow you to roam and help out sidelanes after you've cleared your wave or whatever. Granted, you won't do alot of damage (but with passive procs after bindings you do some damage off of runing) but cc is strong at all levels of the game and don't forget about the double shields for baiting and clutch plays. I'll have to check it out how punished this can actually be though i thought liandrys was like a troll item on lux or something | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On July 30 2015 03:40 arb wrote: i thought liandrys was like a troll item on lux or something The buff to liandrys was big. But Ionian boots on Lux are bad. Don't get them. In fact Ionian boots are bad in general. You can get 15% CDR just from quints. If you get mpen from quints you get like 6, not 20. But they're especially bad on Lux. Mpen is actually the best stat in the game for Lux damage wise, the reason why you don't go for crazy mpen builds on her is because mpen runes and items aren't cost efficient. If you wanted to invent a perfect item for her it'd be like an athenes that had mpen instead of AP. I think my big problem with going ludens first on Lux is its sort of a case of why aren't you playing a different champion. Ludens first is very strong on a lot of champions. So strong that it sort of skews champion picks towards people who can effectively buy ludens first. Lux has a lot of mana issues and really prefers to buy a regen item first, but right now athenes and morellos are just not as awesome as getting that ludens, dodging all the ranged poke with your heeps of movespeed and forcing trades. So while ludens first might be doable on Lux, the better decision is realistically to just pick a different champion in the first place. That said, I'm all for doing some math on Lux itemization, although I can't play or test anything from Thailand. I just sort of think she's a weak pick right now and we need to see either some buffs to modernize her, or a meta that returns to poke champs. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
New Zeke's is super good on support Lux. Go full greedmode with spellthief + pickpocket, grab flask then rush Zeke's. | ||
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
Majority of champs in mid atm (should) go Morello's. It's still far and away the most efficient AP item in the game. Issue is mostly that it doesn't give as much regen as Grail but is much quicker to get, so old high MP usage mids that can't get a RoA/Tear, Brand/Lux/etc., are stuck with 500 more gold spent on a trivial amount of defense and 20 less AP just to get the regen they need until lategame/blue buffs. Scaling Quints of CDR aren't really that efficient until lategame, where they're great, but you're better off getting 15% in yellows if you're on a champ that actually wants that CDR, because AP quints carry early game. If you're a champ (like Lux) that wants pen/assassinates, there's no reason to ever go anything but Sorc's; they're the most efficient boots in the game because pen is rare. CDR boots are for AD casters and utility mids/supports. Lux's problem is mostly that what she brings is out of meta. Safety is great, but when you're dealing with a heavy engage control meta, what's she bring compared to a Viktor who stops hard engage in its tracks? Kog who abuses Rylai's/Liandry's? Jayce with poke about as strong and a potent engage/disengage tool? She could really badly use a buff to E's mana cost though. | ||
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On July 30 2015 05:02 Ketara wrote: In fact Ionian boots are bad in general. You can get 15% CDR just from quints. If you get mpen from quints you get like 6, not 20. Slightly misleading insofar as those are scaling CDR quints; if you actually wanted 15% flat CDR from runes, it's 9 blues + 3 quints, which is 11.67 magic penetration. Also, Sorcerer's Shoes are 15 magic pen, not 20. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I'm rolling my eyes over here at you. Rolly rolly rolly. Scaling CDR is better than flat CDR on Lux why would you compare it to flat CDR that makes nosense. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
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Caiada
United States3052 Posts
On literally any champ, actually. CDR is easy to get; your laning phase is not. On an actual topic, super late Liandry's is probably ideal for Lux, after CDR/Luden's/Void/Dcap. Rylai's is bad on her, Zhonya's is niche depending on game. It's certainly the most damage. | ||
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
On July 30 2015 06:22 Ketara wrote: Velocirapture, I'd love it if you could post a replay of one of these games. I want to stare at your mana bar for half an hour. Maybe I will find a way to do this since this seems like the main point of contention. I don't currently run a replay system since the old one caused so many problems but I know OP.GG records them now. I very rarely get a blue unless I am hugely ahead and it is 25-30 mins in. I do lean on pots a bit on first and second back but I do not spam them. I actually probably spend less money on consumables than most higher elo players because I am so focused on getting Ludens ASAP. I would also like to point out that scaling mana regen yellows are a pretty big deal. At level 18 morello + scaling mana regen yellows gives more mana regen than two morellos + scaling HP yellows (if my math is right). I'll look into the replay thing now. Edit: Apparently OP.GG is having issues due to API output throttling. If anybody knows a better replay program/site feel free to shoot me a message otherwise I may just download bandicam or something. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Velocirapture
United States983 Posts
www.replay.gg I will post good games (wins and losses) as they happen if people want them. Thank you for the site suggestion. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
But I'll watch the replay tonight and tell you what I think in depth. | ||
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