[Guide] Support LeBlanc
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GolemMadness
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Ropen
United States16 Posts
On January 08 2015 14:20 GolemMadness wrote: I had a LeBlanc support a few weeks ago build triforce, and I've seen a few mid LeBlanc's building it as well. Can anyone explain to me who started this and why? It makes zero sense to me. I'm no expert, but that really doesn't make much sense to me either. If anyone has an explantion, I'd also love to know if it is a viable choice. | ||
sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On January 08 2015 14:20 GolemMadness wrote: I had a LeBlanc support a few weeks ago build triforce, and I've seen a few mid LeBlanc's building it as well. Can anyone explain to me who started this and why? It makes zero sense to me. Its basically a different take on AD Leblanc, which isn't completely troll but pretty wierd. She has some cool advantages as an AD. 1. She has stupid mobility compared to a traditional ad carry. 2. She has extremely strong self peel with 2 chainz. 3. Good base ability damage burst. since she is using so many abilities triforce is solid on her the same way its solid on corki or kog. Disadvantages are her poor range, and lack of an AD steroid or scaling. Basically she is hyper elusive and nearly impossible to catch but does less damage lategame and is very very tricky to play. | ||
Kotfluegel
Germany49 Posts
On January 08 2015 18:08 Ropen wrote: I'm no expert, but that really doesn't make much sense to me either. If anyone has an explantion, I'd also love to know if it is a viable choice. LB has one of the highest base AD (55) of ranged champions(only Brand and Ryze have higher base AD). And the spellblade passive procs 200% Base AD. I still dont think it's a very good choice. If you get really ahead you can buy lots of AP and do more damage with lich bane. | ||
Control_
Canada3 Posts
On January 08 2015 14:20 GolemMadness wrote: I had a LeBlanc support a few weeks ago build triforce, and I've seen a few mid LeBlanc's building it as well. Can anyone explain to me who started this and why? It makes zero sense to me. A little while ago it was discovered that AD LB Top was actually a good pick as she has high Magic damage values aswell as decent AD damage. Here are some builds I found: Looper Looper.2 YoungBuck Arrow | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
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On January 09 2015 00:30 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: What makes it possible to play support AP LeBlanc when you don't have the farm to get the items and are lower level compared to a solo lane? It becomes a lot more difficult to burst down targets. Are there any lanes she's specifically good against/with? I find that Leblanc is very good vs low mobility adc's and squishy supports like, Sona, Janna, Zilean, Lux. Although I find she is rather good in a lot of matchups. The whole point of picking LeBlanc support is to be a pure kill lane, only pick her if you expect to get kills and assists in lane to snowball into items. If you dont get any kills in lane then it will take you awhile to get the items to do damage but once you have Morello's and DCap your damage sky rockets and you should be able to start picking off their carries and allow you to get the rest of your items. My whole play styles seems to work by standing in brushes and routes where the mid and adc will likely take to get buffs or farm and picking them off, this requires good vision control and sweeping to make sure you didnt go over a ward. Its honestly works extremely well if the enemies make alot of mistakes this is where leblanc shines as she puts of damage like no other! | ||
nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Have played vs a few leblanc supports and honestly has never been even close to an issue.Even her amazing gank assist isn't THAT good compared to supports like leona/thresh etc | ||
Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Also you are playing a champion that needs to snowball on a role that is underleveled yet you get scaling ap? | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Also would be interested on the math behind why he chooses Deathcap over Void Staff in the standard build. Also the math behind why Dring would be a more aggressive buy than Spellthief. Also why AP/level runes instead of flat AP runes. | ||
HoMM
Estonia635 Posts
Here's some benefits of LB support: - Your W allows you to place wards very safely, allowing you to get in deep wards easily. - You have good potential to poke enemy adc in lane, and possibly kill them if you land some good chains. - Good base damages. - Hard to gank. - Enemy probably hasn't seen a Leblanc support before and doesn't know how to react. edit: although I still have to say that LB support is not very good - probably tier 3 among supports... I'd consider other tier 3 supports to be Taric/Alistar and other weird stuff like Gragas and Lissandra. | ||
Kalent
Canada253 Posts
On January 09 2015 06:09 HoMM wrote: edit: although I still have to say that LB support is not very good - probably tier 3 among supports... I'd consider other tier 3 supports to be Taric/Alistar and other weird stuff like Gragas and Lissandra. Alistar is most definitely not a tier 3 support - he's a situational pick, but excels under certain comps and circumstanpces. Hachani from KT Rolster plays Alistar all the time, and Alistar was a popular pick in Champions Summer. I'd say he's more tier 2 or even tier 1. | ||
MattBarry
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
At least support Malzahar is still a thing, I guess. | ||
Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On January 09 2015 06:09 HoMM wrote: I know someone who had 100 games as LB support in Diamond elo ranked in Season 3, and he was able to win more games than he lost with it. Here's some benefits of LB support: - Your W allows you to place wards very safely, allowing you to get in deep wards easily. - You have good potential to poke enemy adc in lane, and possibly kill them if you land some good chains. - Good base damages. - Hard to gank. - Enemy probably hasn't seen a Leblanc support before and doesn't know how to react. edit: although I still have to say that LB support is not very good - probably tier 3 among supports... I'd consider other tier 3 supports to be Taric/Alistar and other weird stuff like Gragas and Lissandra. If you're playing LB as a proper support (rather than bot-lane mage), this is pretty much it. The W mobility is your biggest advantage, you can get in and out of places so much faster. You should be landing 95% of chains and your WR+Spellthief makes your roam deadly. In lane, she kinds of works the same way as Velkoz. High base damage and disengage lets you control the lane if your lane partner is a bully champ e.g Corki, Lucian etc | ||
Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
So far, "Enemy probably hasn't seen a Leblanc support before and doesn't know how to react." is probably the most compelling argument I've seen presented in the thread to play Leblanc this way. The build outlined in the OP and by most of the replies seems to be very similar to a standard mid-Leblanc build. In that case, why not just play her mid? In addition, this playstyle seems to rest on the ability to snowball, which as we all know isn't a realistic expectation to have. When behind or even merely even against the opponent, it's easy to see how Leblanc pales in comparison to the utility offered by other supports - utility that is level and gold independent. | ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
Note that I say BOTTOM lane champions, because Riot can now detect which lane a champion is playing at. In other words, for a champion that can play multiple roles - say LeBlanc - the data below is only for LeBlanc who were played in the bottom lane, not mid/jungle/whatever else. The accuracy of Riot's detection mechanism I can't say, so I expect Guomingdong to be here any minute now. Anyway, here it is: Overall, I am not impressed about LeBlanc's 43% win rate over 1280 games. Either she is not good enough to be played as a support in 4.21, or her skillcap is too high for most players. | ||
Prog
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 11 2015 03:19 Prog wrote: Or the people who play support leblanc are mainly angry midlaners and not support mains, therefore build only ap, buy no wards and lose more often. To have a meaningful stat you'd need to select only support mains and then get data. If you think the lower win rate is due to players trolling, that says a lot of the pick itself. Additionally, Veigar / Xerath seem to do a lot better than LeBlanc. | ||
Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Of course, this is not "hard evidence" in any sense, but I try to make the alternative explanation of the data that leblanc is often picked by non-support players more plausible. | ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
You can't just selectively argue Leblanc in one way and the rest in another. | ||
Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Edit: Let me rephrase the Veigar point: 1. I saw support mains play veigar and I am a support main who plays Veigar sometimes. 2. I cannot say the same for Leblanc. 3. Therefore I can explain the difference in the winratio between Leblanc and Veigar just by pointing out that likely more support-mains play Veigar than Leblanc. That is no hard evidence because my experience is limited and maybe I just happened to see only the support-main Veigars and none of the leblancs. Nevertheless based on my evidence I make this inference to the best explanation. It is not a deductive argument, but nevertheless an argument. | ||
Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
In my experience, if you don't get support LeBlanc snowballing early you're not going to have a good time. Out of curiosity where did you get that stat chart from it's well done | ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 11 2015 05:28 Sonnington wrote: I can take a stab at why support LeBlanc's winrate is so low right now. Sona, Janna, Soraka, and Graves are all popular picks. Healers and shielders have an easy to negating LeBlanc's poke damage along with Graves being naturally tanky and wanting to buckshot bitches to the face. In my experience, if you don't get support LeBlanc snowballing early you're not going to have a good time. Out of curiosity where did you get that stat chart from it's well done The data is collected using Riot API. | ||
Doominator10
United States515 Posts
I bet lane swaps can really throw a wrench in that, but for SoloQ I'm not sure if that's an issue. Maybe Ranked5s? | ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Bearded Elder29877 Posts
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Chexx
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
On January 08 2015 14:20 GolemMadness wrote: I had a LeBlanc support a few weeks ago build triforce, and I've seen a few mid LeBlanc's building it as well. Can anyone explain to me who started this and why? It makes zero sense to me. Piglet: He killed Riven in top lane then Riven just roamed and fed the rest of the game. Such an inspirational performance. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
http://star.tga.plu.cn/demaxiya/v/77431 GAME from Snake played Top Leblanc with Doran's Ring/Triforce/Shiv/Hexdrinker No VOD but Looper has been playing AD Leblanc in solo queue as well on stream, tune in if you see him on maybe he'll be playing it~ | ||
killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On January 11 2015 03:25 Sufficiency wrote: If you think the lower win rate is due to players trolling, that says a lot of the pick itself. Additionally, Veigar / Xerath seem to do a lot better than LeBlanc. That doesn't make any sense as a conclusion... Support shen can actually be pretty strong in terms of off meta picks, but I'm sure some number of support shens are people who had to support, so they go revive clarity shen and troll. That has zero influence on the actual validity of support shen. I'm a little confused as to what the point of the guide is though. if you remove two sentences and the pictures of frostfang/sightstone, then it would be indistinguishable from an lb mid guide. The only difference is you've said "get the support item first if you feel like it, and maybe get sightstone." If you're actually trying to teach someone support lb then give them some information to learn, lane matchups, good roam timings, does she help push well, does she trade well, does she allin well, what's different in your play patterns compared to mid lb in the midgame, given your lack of gold. What teamcomps do you want to, and do you not want to pick her into, what experience have you had with it? (Does it work vs decent opponents? is it a one trick poney or actually viable vs people who've seen it before?) etc etc Not trying to be negative but it just feels a bit like you pasted a basic mid lb guide which could have gone in the lb thread, and added the word support to the title, and handwaved away the responsibility of actually teaching anything new by saying it's "just my way of playing her" Also screw you and your .png data tables sufficiency, i spent 20s trying to ctrl+f for lb in that table before i realised why it wasn't finding her T.T | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I actually don't mind the idea of a support Leblanc guide, I think it's a little uncommon but workable enough to deserve a thread. But I'm not a fan of this particular OP, sorry to say. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
Ackerman streaming top TF Leblanc, though the enemy team is about to AFK and let them push mid. | ||
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