[Guide] Support LeBlanc - Page 2
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 11 2015 03:19 Prog wrote: Or the people who play support leblanc are mainly angry midlaners and not support mains, therefore build only ap, buy no wards and lose more often. To have a meaningful stat you'd need to select only support mains and then get data. If you think the lower win rate is due to players trolling, that says a lot of the pick itself. Additionally, Veigar / Xerath seem to do a lot better than LeBlanc. | ||
Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Of course, this is not "hard evidence" in any sense, but I try to make the alternative explanation of the data that leblanc is often picked by non-support players more plausible. | ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
You can't just selectively argue Leblanc in one way and the rest in another. | ||
Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Edit: Let me rephrase the Veigar point: 1. I saw support mains play veigar and I am a support main who plays Veigar sometimes. 2. I cannot say the same for Leblanc. 3. Therefore I can explain the difference in the winratio between Leblanc and Veigar just by pointing out that likely more support-mains play Veigar than Leblanc. That is no hard evidence because my experience is limited and maybe I just happened to see only the support-main Veigars and none of the leblancs. Nevertheless based on my evidence I make this inference to the best explanation. It is not a deductive argument, but nevertheless an argument. | ||
Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
In my experience, if you don't get support LeBlanc snowballing early you're not going to have a good time. Out of curiosity where did you get that stat chart from it's well done | ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On January 11 2015 05:28 Sonnington wrote: I can take a stab at why support LeBlanc's winrate is so low right now. Sona, Janna, Soraka, and Graves are all popular picks. Healers and shielders have an easy to negating LeBlanc's poke damage along with Graves being naturally tanky and wanting to buckshot bitches to the face. In my experience, if you don't get support LeBlanc snowballing early you're not going to have a good time. Out of curiosity where did you get that stat chart from it's well done The data is collected using Riot API. | ||
Doominator10
United States515 Posts
I bet lane swaps can really throw a wrench in that, but for SoloQ I'm not sure if that's an issue. Maybe Ranked5s? | ||
Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
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Bearded Elder29877 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
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Sonnington
United States1107 Posts
On January 08 2015 14:20 GolemMadness wrote: I had a LeBlanc support a few weeks ago build triforce, and I've seen a few mid LeBlanc's building it as well. Can anyone explain to me who started this and why? It makes zero sense to me. Piglet: He killed Riven in top lane then Riven just roamed and fed the rest of the game. Such an inspirational performance. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
http://star.tga.plu.cn/demaxiya/v/77431 GAME from Snake played Top Leblanc with Doran's Ring/Triforce/Shiv/Hexdrinker No VOD but Looper has been playing AD Leblanc in solo queue as well on stream, tune in if you see him on maybe he'll be playing it~ | ||
killerdog
Denmark6522 Posts
On January 11 2015 03:25 Sufficiency wrote: If you think the lower win rate is due to players trolling, that says a lot of the pick itself. Additionally, Veigar / Xerath seem to do a lot better than LeBlanc. That doesn't make any sense as a conclusion... Support shen can actually be pretty strong in terms of off meta picks, but I'm sure some number of support shens are people who had to support, so they go revive clarity shen and troll. That has zero influence on the actual validity of support shen. I'm a little confused as to what the point of the guide is though. if you remove two sentences and the pictures of frostfang/sightstone, then it would be indistinguishable from an lb mid guide. The only difference is you've said "get the support item first if you feel like it, and maybe get sightstone." If you're actually trying to teach someone support lb then give them some information to learn, lane matchups, good roam timings, does she help push well, does she trade well, does she allin well, what's different in your play patterns compared to mid lb in the midgame, given your lack of gold. What teamcomps do you want to, and do you not want to pick her into, what experience have you had with it? (Does it work vs decent opponents? is it a one trick poney or actually viable vs people who've seen it before?) etc etc Not trying to be negative but it just feels a bit like you pasted a basic mid lb guide which could have gone in the lb thread, and added the word support to the title, and handwaved away the responsibility of actually teaching anything new by saying it's "just my way of playing her" Also screw you and your .png data tables sufficiency, i spent 20s trying to ctrl+f for lb in that table before i realised why it wasn't finding her T.T | ||
Ketara
United States15065 Posts
I actually don't mind the idea of a support Leblanc guide, I think it's a little uncommon but workable enough to deserve a thread. But I'm not a fan of this particular OP, sorry to say. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
Ackerman streaming top TF Leblanc, though the enemy team is about to AFK and let them push mid. | ||
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