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[Guide] Montegomery's Super Serious Guide to ARAMs - Page 15

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Imbajoe
Profile Joined September 2010
United States857 Posts
May 31 2013 06:59 GMT
#281
feel eve should be one or two tier higher, zil should be in his own tier at the top
i wear a kitten scarf
commandchild
Profile Joined May 2013
38 Posts
May 31 2013 07:31 GMT
#282
On May 31 2013 15:59 Imbajoe wrote:
feel eve should be one or two tier higher, zil should be in his own tier at the top


Eve belongs in the "knock down all towers, buy an AS/AD item and backdoor nexus while enemy team is pushing" tier. This also includes Teemo, Panth, and Twitch.

Zil is heavily dependent on your team to utilize his ult correctly. Even people who understand it miss it in all the noise of a fight.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-31 07:57:59
May 31 2013 07:57 GMT
#283
On May 31 2013 16:31 commandchild wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2013 15:59 Imbajoe wrote:
feel eve should be one or two tier higher, zil should be in his own tier at the top


Eve belongs in the "knock down all towers, buy an AS/AD item and backdoor nexus while enemy team is pushing" tier. This also includes Teemo, Panth, and Twitch.

Zil is heavily dependent on your team to utilize his ult correctly. Even people who understand it miss it in all the noise of a fight.

Zilean honestly depends on the player and not the team. I have played Zilean alot as he is my favorite champion, and has been ever since I bought him - my goto champion whenever I get a team composition he fits in - in arams I have a 100% win ratio with him since all fights are basically 6v5 and in a prolonged fight you can get off a second ultimate turning it in to a "7v5" in essence.

He is truely and utterly rediculous in arams and should basically be in an "utterly baaah-rokenly good" tier alongside Janna and Alistar. Never reroll always win unless enemy has more of the trinity.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 31 2013 08:09 GMT
#284
Zilean is probably the hardest champion to play in the top tier (as evidenced by his 42% winrate). The easy part is building 40% CDR (yay Athene's) and then spamming Rewind whenever his ultimate is down (yay effective 30 second cooldown Chronoshifts). The hard part is apparently everything else.

Zilean might also be suffering from disuse. He hasn't really seen competitive play in a long, long time, so like a few other champions most people probably don't really know how to play him well.

Evelynn is gold because she brings very little to the early game, and has issues against tanky compositions. She can be devastating in the right hands/situation, but that's true of too many champions for it to really make her stand out.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Wrag
Profile Joined February 2012
France124 Posts
May 31 2013 13:57 GMT
#285
Rolled Zil yesterday, was the firt time I played him in over a year..

I can say it depends on the player and the comp, seeing how horrible I did :D.

Ignoring the rewind before bomb mistakes and completely forgetting I could E enemies until 20m into the game, early game bomb harass is verry dependant on lineups (getting in range for a rotation is risky vs a lot of champs, and spammable shields cut down his damage a lot). Ult also needs a decent target to be useful.
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
May 31 2013 14:25 GMT
#286
Don't forget you can harass through placing bombs on minions yours or theirs too.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
Imbajoe
Profile Joined September 2010
United States857 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-01 00:30:51
June 01 2013 00:20 GMT
#287
I feel Eve deserves more credit than you give her, I've really had no trouble with her against particularly tanky comps. my usual build consists of boots + athene's + liandry's + rylais. She can cast hateful's fairly easily while sitting just outside melee range due to her massive move speed increase passive, in this way she is also tremendously strong against champions who rely on skill shots like lux because it's so hard to see where Eve is going to zig-zag next. With Liandry's + Rylai's slow to rely on for constant damage she can afford to build the remaining two slots however she pleases, grabbing a voidstaff, some items for more survivability (to go with the already sizeable amount of HP gained from Liandry's and Rylais) or even an Abbadon's + Deathfire's Grasp to help blowup glass cannons in the backline.

Athene's is also a personal choice because I really like having max CDR on Eve one way or another and it greatly helps accomplish that while also giving a bit of AP and good MR

Really I think she's amazing, I believe I've won all my games with her that go beyond her weak early game.

edit: sorry if i come off as rough
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 01 2013 18:23 GMT
#288
Soraka is so OP lol.

Here's my Soraka guide:


Starting Items: Chalice + Boots + Health Potions
Priority Items: Athene's Unholy Grail, Frozen Heart
Runes: MPen, AR, MR, AP/MS
Masteries: 9/21/0
Skill Order: WWE, then R > W > Q > E

Example end-game build: Sorc/Merc Boots, Grail, Frozen Heart, Rylai's, Liandry's, (insert one defensive item of your choice).

First of all, like Montegomery mentioned, you should never play a support champion like a support champion due to all the passive farm you get. However, AP Soraka on summoner's rift has long been suffering from her weak early game, her squishiness, and heavy dependence on items. Not on ARAM my friend! You will be getting tons of farms in ARAM and by maxing W first you will have a relatively easy early game that allows you to transition into an unstoppable annoyance on the opposing team (don't max Q first, because the range is too low and you will lose out on the poke war).

Remember to play Soraka like an AP off-tank. Her Q does a lot of damage, but only if you can keep yourself alive to stack the MR debuff. Also her W's AP ratio is rather low to justify a high AP build. Therefore, invest heavily on resistance and health with a couple of "damage" items only. Also CDR is extremely important on her and you should try to hit the cap ASAP. Do not build Tear, and definitely do not build dcap for the love of god.

In teamfights, charge into the enemy team and start pressing Q like crazy. With maximized CDR and Rylai's, you can keep an entire team slowed while you keep spamming Q and be 100% more annoying. If you are focused, W yourself for a huge armor boost and press R to panic. Be very careful against Ignite (very few people run Ignites, but if someone does you should keep a timer) because it will fuck you up really hard.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 01 2013 19:33 GMT
#289
On June 02 2013 03:23 Sufficiency wrote:
Soraka is so OP lol.

Here's my Soraka guide:


Starting Items: Chalice + Boots + Health Potions
Priority Items: Athene's Unholy Grail, Frozen Heart
Runes: MPen, AR, MR, AP/MS
Masteries: 9/21/0
Skill Order: WWE, then R > W > Q > E

Example end-game build: Sorc/Merc Boots, Grail, Frozen Heart, Rylai's, Liandry's, (insert one defensive item of your choice).

First of all, like Montegomery mentioned, you should never play a support champion like a support champion due to all the passive farm you get. However, AP Soraka on summoner's rift has long been suffering from her weak early game, her squishiness, and heavy dependence on items. Not on ARAM my friend! You will be getting tons of farms in ARAM and by maxing W first you will have a relatively easy early game that allows you to transition into an unstoppable annoyance on the opposing team (don't max Q first, because the range is too low and you will lose out on the poke war).

Remember to play Soraka like an AP off-tank. Her Q does a lot of damage, but only if you can keep yourself alive to stack the MR debuff. Also her W's AP ratio is rather low to justify a high AP build. Therefore, invest heavily on resistance and health with a couple of "damage" items only. Also CDR is extremely important on her and you should try to hit the cap ASAP. Do not build Tear, and definitely do not build dcap for the love of god.

In teamfights, charge into the enemy team and start pressing Q like crazy. With maximized CDR and Rylai's, you can keep an entire team slowed while you keep spamming Q and be 100% more annoying. If you are focused, W yourself for a huge armor boost and press R to panic. Be very careful against Ignite (very few people run Ignites, but if someone does you should keep a timer) because it will fuck you up really hard.

I usually like Grail -> Rylai/Liandrys myself. If you're getting pretty big Deathcaps not really a totally awful buy either truthfully
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
June 02 2013 09:55 GMT
#290
Damn Yi is so annoying, those random alphastrike hit ...
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
June 03 2013 06:26 GMT
#291
Just played against a Blitz/Singed combo, my God that pull/flip combo was so good, wrecked our team early.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
June 04 2013 01:04 GMT
#292
On June 03 2013 15:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
Just played against a Blitz/Singed combo, my God that pull/flip combo was so good, wrecked our team early.

If you ever get Singed and Voli on the same team you get to have some fun times with double flipping people into your tower from the middle of the map.

Also I played a game as Voli with a Blitz on my team today against a super-poke team. The flip after pull and knockup was the only thing that kept the game close. It really is amazing.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 05 2013 19:26 GMT
#293
Holy crap Lulu's so fun, at least once you get to 40% CDR and level ~13 to have min cd on every spell. And when I thought I didn't have much damage after awhile, I built mercs to follow people around and lichbane. The number of procs is criminal, and really makes up for her low ratios (granted, the team also had Janna and Zac, so I'd just ult whoever of our divers threatened to get low, and the enemy Ryze wasn't too much of a threat because our Zyra made it her mission to kill him, even if she had to blow everything on him alone).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 05 2013 20:08 GMT
#294
Janna is so fun on this map. The enemy team doesn't even realize they're slowly losing the game when you get a little AP and they just don't have minions anymore, ever. It makes a gigantic difference.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 05 2013 20:12 GMT
#295
The optimal way though is to just Q, release it once enemy minions are there, rinse and repeat. It's super boring to do, and super boring to play against too. :/
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 06 2013 08:21 GMT
#296
#1 Janna counter is Anivia. Watch for tornadoes, wall off minions. Done properly not only will the minions no longer be on the same track, but they won't even arrive before the Tornado launches and whiffs.

Shame you can't counter-pick. XD
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 06 2013 09:33 GMT
#297
On June 06 2013 17:21 Seuss wrote:
#1 Janna counter is Anivia. Watch for tornadoes, wall off minions. Done properly not only will the minions no longer be on the same track, but they won't even arrive before the Tornado launches and whiffs.

Shame you can't counter-pick. XD


Janna counters everything.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
commandchild
Profile Joined May 2013
38 Posts
June 07 2013 02:00 GMT
#298
On June 06 2013 04:26 Alaric wrote:
Holy crap Lulu's so fun, at least once you get to 40% CDR and level ~13 to have min cd on every spell. And when I thought I didn't have much damage after awhile, I built mercs to follow people around and lichbane. The number of procs is criminal, and really makes up for her low ratios (granted, the team also had Janna and Zac, so I'd just ult whoever of our divers threatened to get low, and the enemy Ryze wasn't too much of a threat because our Zyra made it her mission to kill him, even if she had to blow everything on him alone).



Everytime I get Lulu I set all my skills to self cast and build AD :3
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
June 07 2013 03:19 GMT
#299
I now realize why Ali is high tier. That cow is freaking retarded. I just played against Ali, Janna and Singed. We never got anywhere. We just kept getting thrown around.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
June 08 2013 06:39 GMT
#300
On June 06 2013 18:33 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 17:21 Seuss wrote:
#1 Janna counter is Anivia. Watch for tornadoes, wall off minions. Done properly not only will the minions no longer be on the same track, but they won't even arrive before the Tornado launches and whiffs.

Shame you can't counter-pick. XD


Janna counters everything.


I think you misread. I was stating that Anivia counters Janna (at least her insta-wave clear).
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
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