He isn't saying build Alistar/Taric pure AP, he's saying spend your gold on something useful instead of getting philostone/Shard of True Ice and other crap that isn't that useful when you have the income to straight up build stuff like Grail, Icebourne Gauntlet, and Frozen Heart and most of your income is generated passively.

nyxnyxnyx

Indonesia2978 Posts

May 21 2013 11:47 GMT

#242

On May 21 2013 03:11 red_ wrote:

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HP and MR wasted stats? We must play significantly different ARAMs...

well kindle is fine if only it gives CDR. spending the extra gold on negatron and then visage is incredibly selfish and wouldn't help your team as much as getting more mana, CDR or AP, in that order of priority. alistar (and to a lesser extent taric) have a high tendency to overheal themselves anyway, visage is just silly overkill (or overheal)

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

May 21 2013 11:59 GMT

#243

Hp and resists so you can initiate and disrupt and not die are far far better for your team than AP, expecially for healing cdr is basically the only thing thats important as it has a .1 AP scaling for ally heal. Not saying visage is good but its not bad and I would never buy AP over any sort of survivability on Ali.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

May 21 2013 12:09 GMT

#244

buy kindlegem and negatron, don't upgrade to SV until you need the item slot, or want to max out your cdr

no need at all to finish SV

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

May 21 2013 12:37 GMT

#245

I love it on Alistar since it offers everything I want on him. CDR, Tank and stronger heal. I don't consider it a selfish buy at all, it will make you stick around (the boost of tank granted by stats and massive heal boost) cannot be understated; and as we all know a dead cow is no heals.

Regarding his heal I think you are looking too much into the displayed ratio, and not the practical ratio. How I consider it:
n allies = in range 0.n ratio
-- as all other heals are single target.

Then with the spam heals during waves I don't think his heal ratio is all that bad. Basically, if my team does not desperately need a tank from level 3 I'll aim towards tanky-ap cow as I've found him scale much stronger, besides where else do you get to eventually buy Lich Bane on Alistar.

ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

May 21 2013 13:33 GMT

#246

when people have ali and

1. reroll
2. build him ap

i cry a little inside. athene's is the only ap item you should get because the ap is almost just icing on the cake considering the cdr mana and mr it gives.

raka should build athene's -> cdr boots -> guise -> rylai's -> zhonya's IMO. full cd (with masteries), fairly tanky, does ton of damage, always heal never not heal

mordek

United States12705 Posts

May 21 2013 13:36 GMT

#247

I had a guy who rolled Mundo and I rolled Ali. He asked if anyone wanted Mundo to trade and I said sure thinking he'd rather play Alistar than Mundo. We trade and he rerolls.... -.-

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

May 21 2013 18:37 GMT

#248

On May 21 2013 19:40 zer0das wrote:
He isn't saying build Alistar/Taric pure AP, he's saying spend your gold on something useful instead of getting philostone/Shard of True Ice and other crap that isn't that useful when you have the income to straight up build stuff like Grail, Icebourne Gauntlet, and Frozen Heart and most of your income is generated passively.

Exactly. I'm not saying build pure AP, just build like you actually have an income.

But as sob3k pointed out, when you have a heal you basically should always rush Athene's and cap your CDR. Sustained healing is so very, very powerful in ARAMs.

I always cry when I see Alistar players start Emblem of Valor, because while their heart is in the right place I know they're wasting Alistar's potential.

entropius

United States1046 Posts

May 22 2013 04:16 GMT

#249

Athene's just seems like a must on anyone who can remotely use the stats (meaning: anyone who uses mana and has AP ratios). ARAM is all about sustained presence: 20% CDR means 20% of all of your kit, the mana fuels it, and the MR means you don't get poked out as easily.

Lylat

France8575 Posts

May 22 2013 07:29 GMT

#250

At what ELO people start to suicide when they're really low instead of staying behind with 10hp being useless and dying in 1s in the next fight ? Cuz this is annoying !

Complete

United States1864 Posts

May 22 2013 08:00 GMT

#251

dont think aram has an elo!

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

May 22 2013 08:06 GMT

#252

It does

Seuss

United States10536 Posts

May 22 2013 09:08 GMT

#253

On May 22 2013 16:29 Lylat wrote:
At what ELO people start to suicide when they're really low instead of staying behind with 10hp being useless and dying in 1s in the next fight ? Cuz this is annoying !

Unfortunately as we have no way of knowing our behind the scenes MMR there's really no answer to that question.

While you'll start finding people who do that eventually, a big part of the problem is that it's easily the single most difficult call one can make in an ARAM. Depending on team composition, champion, spawn times, how late in the game it is etc. the correct choice when deciding between survival and suicide changes and blurs. At higher ARAM Elos games are won and lost on that decision, much like Baron.

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

May 22 2013 12:49 GMT

#254

How do you guys build Syndra? Just come from a game where we had one carrying our team hard as hell, only thing I noticed was she rushed for 40% CDR and then controlled all fights with massive AoE stuns due to the higher amount of balls she could lay out.

@Ezreal guide: I always build him AP in aram, as you mention his issue is getting items - which is "easy" in aram. Starting with Sheen and gives plenty of damage early. I also prefer playing him 30/0/0, this helps his weak early game prescence, because the only times you usually die are unavoidable or intentionally.

AsmodeusXI

United States15536 Posts

May 22 2013 13:17 GMT

#255

On May 22 2013 21:49 Jek wrote:
How do you guys build Syndra? Just come from a game where we had one carrying our team hard as hell, only thing I noticed was she rushed for 40% CDR and then controlled all fights with massive AoE stuns due to the higher amount of balls she could lay out.

@Ezreal guide: I always build him AP in aram, as you mention his issue is getting items - which is "easy" in aram. Starting with Sheen and gives plenty of damage early. I also prefer playing him 30/0/0, this helps his weak early game prescence, because the only times you usually die are unavoidable or intentionally.

Yeah, it seems like the best Syndra build for ARAM would be the same as for SR: Athene's, Morello, then MOAR AP.

Jek

Denmark2771 Posts

May 22 2013 15:08 GMT

#256

Sounds right. Looking back at match history she finished with Morello, Athene, Swifties with Alacrity (wut?) and Seekers. Think she was just having fun after 40% cdr and boots 1 tho.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

May 22 2013 16:42 GMT

#257

So for AP's how are you guys opening up?
If I want to get morellominicon as first item I open up with philostone + farie charm +boots +pots.
The regen is really strong for early game stats on ARAM.

If it's a Athenes first, chalice first opening is the obvious choice, with boots + pots.

If Tears stacking, I get tears, then I try to die pretty quickly early on the second I get enough gold for chalice. Then Chalice + tears = stacking tears super ridiculous fast.