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I guess they don't want her to have too good sustain through mantra'ed W, but it could have allowed her to jungle a bit maybe without it being very good in the jungle since mantra CD is not refreshed on creeps.[Champion] Karma - Page 7
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
I guess they don't want her to have too good sustain through mantra'ed W, but it could have allowed her to jungle a bit maybe without it being very good in the jungle since mantra CD is not refreshed on creeps. | ||
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dpoon
Canada37 Posts
When I first saw her passive, I was thinking she was basically an AP Xin, where cooldown is pretty important. Athene's and/or Morello's seems almost mandatory, but I keep feeling like her auto's lowering cool down could be worth investing in. ~dPoon | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:26 dpoon wrote: What do you guys think of getting nashor's on her? When I first saw her passive, I was thinking she was basically an AP Xin, where cooldown is pretty important. Athene's and/or Morello's seems almost mandatory, but I keep feeling like her auto's lowering cool down could be worth investing in. ~dPoon I tried it, its pretty bad. Not worth getting that much AS if your autos do nothing, better to get manaregen and ap and cdr and just hit then with safer skills. If you have a safe opportunity to auto you take it, building AS would be a lategame thing after you went tanky or something. I see you are new here, do not sign your posts. It says your name at the top for a reason. | ||
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dpoon
Canada37 Posts
On April 04 2013 04:33 sob3k wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2013 04:26 dpoon wrote: What do you guys think of getting nashor's on her? When I first saw her passive, I was thinking she was basically an AP Xin, where cooldown is pretty important. Athene's and/or Morello's seems almost mandatory, but I keep feeling like her auto's lowering cool down could be worth investing in. ~dPoon I tried it, its pretty bad. Not worth getting that much AS if your autos do nothing, better to get manaregen and ap and cdr and just hit then with safer skills. If you have a safe opportunity to auto you take it, building AS would be a lategame thing after you went tanky or something. Would you say that it's more of a mechanic for the laning phase then? Now that I think about it, it doesn't really matter how many skills or autos you drop in a team fight, you'll only really get one mantra (unless it's a VERY prolonged one). | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 04 2013 08:09 dpoon wrote: Would you say that it's more of a mechanic for the laning phase then? Now that I think about it, it doesn't really matter how many skills or autos you drop in a team fight, you'll only really get one mantra (unless it's a VERY prolonged one). With max CDR you should definitely get at least two mantras if not three in a teamfight, the CD should be around 20 seconds or less if you get some autos. Karma is also really good at stretching out teamfights and cleaning up. autos will have much more of an effect lategame as you will have more cdr, your mantra cd will be lower, and they have scaling effect: they only take off .5 seconds earlygame of a 45 second CD compared to lategame where they take 1 second off of a 27 second mantra CD. Basically its bad because investing in 50% AS doesn't give you 50% more autos in lane, you will only get maybe 1 or 2 more in every safe time to auto, which is 1 second off of that long mantra timer for most of laning. Much better to get stats that boost her skills which also have the advantage of actually doing damage. Also they dont aggro the creep wave and make your lane push, and they help you escape ganks. | ||
Chosi
Germany1309 Posts
As an AP mid is she is actually viable but not en par with most other mid champions, which is why I think the Karma relaunch hype will be over pretty soon. I liked her, but you simply cannot afford to play her right now. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 05 2013 18:18 Chosi wrote: The sad thing is, she is (still) not really viable as a support, since she heavily relies on AP items and needs farm for that. She lacks the util that a taric, leona, sona bring to the table that just does not need AP to work. I think this really affects the winrate a lot since people try to support with her and if they dont win early, they will lose in teamfights because karma (without items) does little damage and even less util. As an AP mid is she is actually viable but not en par with most other mid champions, which is why I think the Karma relaunch hype will be over pretty soon. I liked her, but you simply cannot afford to play her right now. She feels just as strong to me as any other mid, and can be played completely safely in any matchup, she doesnt have a bad one. But I have been playing her top a lot, where she just absolutely shits on melee champs with tether and slows/haste. | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On April 06 2013 03:20 sob3k wrote: She feels just as strong to me as any other mid, and can be played completely safely in any matchup, she doesnt have a bad one. But I have been playing her top a lot, where she just absolutely shits on melee champs with tether and slows/haste. But there is no reason to play her because Janna/Lux/Morgana/Ori are so much better. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On April 06 2013 05:04 Sufficiency wrote: But there is no reason to play her because Janna/Lux/Morgana/Ori are so much better. Also because she's way better mid anyway. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 06 2013 05:04 Sufficiency wrote: But there is no reason to play her because Janna/Lux/Morgana/Ori are so much better. I totally disagree, she has completely different role than lux, who is to instagib snipe squishies and have great waveclear She is utility damage like ori/janna/morg much more similar sure, but IMO she is stronger than morg due to her CD's and very similar to orianna, janna is so incredibly niche if you just want that waveclear, but in a straight up fight karma does way more damage. It think she is really good. The thing about her is she doesn't have to wait for big CD's like morg, and she is very comparable to orianna but even harder to jump on and catch. You trade the damage and teamfight ult for mantra E full team shield and haste, plus another mantra skill of your choice basically. I've been basically spamming karma and doing really really well. I agree her support is not strong, mid and top I feel she is top tier or at the very least at about a perfect power level. | ||
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Aezo-
Canada378 Posts
What runes do you use on her? I'm doing standard AP quints, MP reds, armor yellow, mres blue. One thing which is frustrating on her is that the Q doesn't clear out caster minions one hit until much later. I'm stuck leaving them so low after a Q for a long time. But oh well  . When in a 1v1 mid-game do you usually mantra Q then W, or Q then mantra W? It's awesome how fast mantra comes back when you are in team fights though (as long as I don't get burst and killed). | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On April 09 2013 14:52 Aezo- wrote: So I've been starting to spam karma games and I am enjoying her but still struggling a little bit with her. What runes do you use on her? I'm doing standard AP quints, MP reds, armor yellow, mres blue. One thing which is frustrating on her is that the Q doesn't clear out caster minions one hit until much later. I'm stuck leaving them so low after a Q for a long time. But oh well . When in a 1v1 mid-game do you usually mantra Q then W, or Q then mantra W? It's awesome how fast mantra comes back when you are in team fights though (as long as I don't get burst and killed). Those runes are fine, I use scaling regen yellows vs a lot of ap mids so I can spam more, but thats just preference. I love mana. The combo for aggression usually is land a good Q/and or E self (shield self anyway if you are gonna take any damage), haste in, W , proc snare/Mantra Q so they eat the whole thing. Auto as much as possible. The thing is to do this when they have important skills on CD. the trick to better cs when you leave shit at a sliver is to hit them each once then use the skill, dont use the skill then miss cs because they are at 1hp and you cant auto them before they get sniped by caster minions. | ||
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
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Purge
Canada372 Posts
I've found rushing lichbane really helps her. The movespeed and proc with her spammable spells really bring her into line with other APs, and her kiting kit means you can actually use it quite a bit. Even straight sheen is a pretty solid item since you want to auto people a fair bit for the mantra cooldown. Interesting. Never thought about that, but at the same time you want to have max cdr as soon as possible to reduce mantra charges, right? I really dont have that many games on her, but I was finding that without cdr you were..... slightly sub-par to every support-mage in the game. Ill try it after morellos or rushing it with cdr blues+9/0/21 and see how it goes though. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
On May 01 2013 17:45 GolemMadness wrote: How's Karma after the patch? Is she actually starting to become decent? No. She used to be decent. Now she's bland and generic. (still mad about rework grumble grumble) | ||
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StorrZerg
United States13922 Posts
I've been thinking that in order for her to do well, the team comp needs to work around her. In the sense that double ap, hyper carry for the adc. I've been trying Lich bane morellos and twins on her and i'm liking it. Though I don't know how much i really need twins. I find the cdr a must, and I really like the lich bane passive to help boost her dps. I also feel the team comp needs to be balanced around her as well. I think she excels with a double ap team, cc focused jungler, and a hyper adc. (she would also do well in a poke comp if done properly, since she has great utility in her mantra shield ) idk i'd like to mess around with her more. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
Thus, Athene IMO is core to the core. And getting 40% CDR is prolly #1 priority anyways, | ||
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