I think no matter what Riven trucks Cho'gath so that was a poor example. I don't play Cho'gath, I play Riven, I find W max to poke while last hitting and pushing lane to be a better strategy then trying to fight Riven. Because trying to fight Riven is a bad idea.

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

May 21 2012 22:01 GMT

#122

According to my experience, given you max E on Cho, use 9/21/0 masteries and start cloth + 5 or boots + 3 (bit less safe) then you can very comfortably beat Riven, thanks to his inability to trade with you once silenced, melee-only nature that exposes him to Vorpal Spikes and physical-only damage that allows Cho to build Glacial Shroud as his first item, mitigating insane amount of damage. Rivens lack of sustain is the nail in the coffin. While it should be noted than Riven is harder to gank than Cho is AND supports ganks better, I would say that Riven is one of the easiest matchups for Cho.
Edit: It should also be noted that Chos damage is mixed, much of your damage comes from autoattack that has one of the highest values in the game. Building resistance therefore isn't nearly as efficient for Riven as it is for Cho.

Bladeorade

United States1898 Posts

May 22 2012 00:21 GMT

#123

I would have to say that starting at level 1 Cho'gath will be zoned by a Q starting Riven. So idk what your talking about.

Also Riven is a She, not a He. Was really bothering me.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

May 22 2012 06:14 GMT

#124

You max e against riven and fight her in the middle of a creep wave with 9/21/0 when your jungler is coming, because if you manage to get a kill off before she gets her lantern you can win the lane, but not by yourself. As soon as she has lantern, she becomes a HUGE pain in the ass, so make sure your jungler camps her, because you need to have a pretty big advantage by then.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

May 22 2012 06:17 GMT

#125

You can beat her 1v1 but only if you all-in at the correct points, and a jungler showing up from either side means one of you is dead, and it's probably gonna be you if you commit wrong because your only escape is flash and being insanely sick with rupture. I hit like 4/5 of my ruptures and I still die to ganks. That's one of Cho's biggest weaknesses.

Logrus

United States228 Posts

May 22 2012 06:58 GMT

#126

Recently rediscovered TT so I been I've been really enjoying playin Cho in 3s a lot since everyone else picks some AD or assassin, and the team needs sustainy tanky ap dmg cc, etc.
I'm using ad/ar/mr/ms and 0/21/9, which i saw Hotshot using dis one tiem in top lanez.
The bestest part actually is getting to use feast to force so many reds and dragons.
my only problem has been his mana pool issues, I feel kinda stuck getting dorans and/or glacial shroud since i dont really want to get roa or philo on tt.
this is not really a problem since glacial shroud is uber but I'm curious/excited about potentially incorporating chalice with the new upgrade.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

May 22 2012 11:13 GMT

#127

I'd go AS quints/reds, armor yellows, and flat mr blues, 9/21/0, flash/smite for buff control and some jungling. Open ruby crystal and rush phage into triforce. You're pretty much unstoppable. In S1 my team was evillust/haoz on TT and they were #1 and #2 on TT ladder for a while, I used to do this with them.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

May 25 2012 23:37 GMT

#128

Cho'Gath

Rupture
Added red/green rings to indicate which targets will be affected
Launch delay reduced to 0.65 seconds from 0.7 seconds

Okay this might not seem like a lot but your rupture hit rate becomes GODLY if you are already good with it. I haven't lost a ranked game with Cho since the patch hit. Shit, I haven't lost a game with Cho since patch hit.

LazyFailKid

Canada750 Posts

August 03 2012 22:13 GMT

#129

Also any tips for a new cho player(had him for awhile, just never played him)?
Thanks in advance ^_^

Edit: wow im blind, didn't see the build at the end. Also new question, Does cho's E do full spellvamp if it only hits one person like karthus q?

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

August 03 2012 22:31 GMT

#130

On August 04 2012 07:13 LazyFailKid wrote:
Also any tips for a new cho player(had him for awhile, just never played him)?
Thanks in advance ^_^

Edit: wow im blind, didn't see the build at the end. Also new question, Does cho's E do full spellvamp if it only hits one person like karthus q?

Nope. Karthus Q has 2 modes, single and multi target. Cho's E will AoE regardless, so it'll do aoe spellvamp.

LazyFailKid

Canada750 Posts

August 03 2012 23:12 GMT

#131

On August 04 2012 07:31 Amui wrote:

Show nested quote +

Nope. Karthus Q has 2 modes, single and multi target. Cho's E will AoE regardless, so it'll do aoe spellvamp.

Ah dam. thank you.

Perplex

United States1693 Posts

August 04 2012 04:34 GMT

#132

I was wondering how someone could be so good at a certain champion to almost never lose, then I read "but I've got about 2k games on Cho"

Man. I wish I had the willpower to be that good at this game x.x

edit: are there any vods? I wanna see a rylai game, but i'll settle for anything recent

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

August 04 2012 05:34 GMT

#133

I don't have any recent vods! Play against me in an inhouse and request me to play chogath lol

Perplex

United States1693 Posts

August 04 2012 05:52 GMT

#134

On August 04 2012 14:34 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I don't have any recent vods! Play against me in an inhouse and request me to play chogath lol

Okay I'll try to do that! But if you run lolreplay for a week and post them here you would be my favorite person everr <3

And i'm sure the community would love it. Doesn't take any effort either, just .zip them and upload overnight and boom, you're the hero cho'gath players deserve

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

August 04 2012 07:00 GMT

#135

Still got it, though

+ Show Spoiler +

Hyren

United States817 Posts

August 04 2012 09:49 GMT

#136

So 5hit how do the recent buffs feel?

schmutttt

Australia3856 Posts

August 04 2012 10:11 GMT

#137

Cho mid secret OP

Leonite7

Ireland921 Posts

August 04 2012 10:52 GMT

#138

So what do you guys normally build on cho'gath? I have seen so many builds it is kind of confusing.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

August 04 2012 12:22 GMT

#139

It depends. I rush rylais almost every game now. I've only lost one game in two patches on SR with Cho mid or jungle doing that. Really, just work on your ruptures. The rupture buffs feel so right--the delay is about the same from click to rupture but the animation is a lot harder to react to now. If you're playing Cho top lane, you can always just get wits end and be good, but core items nowadays are:

Rylais (best item on cho hands down period)
Frozen Heart (great carrier)
FoN (almost more for the movespeed than for the MR)
Sunfire or Randuins (Sunfire Cape + Rylais is insane, but aspd slows are the fotm right now and the active on randuin's is like a mini ult if you flash into the middle of opposing team and blow it)
Merc or CDR boots
Optional sixth item--depends what you need. Sometimes it's GA, sometimes it's wit's end, sometimes it's triforce. Do what you want here based on the feel of the game. Banshee's is still amazing against a lot of teams with heavy single-target stuns or burst damage.

But yeah, it's mainly just ruptures, and that's a feel thing. Play Cho a lot, he's fun and I think he's going to be fotm soon.

MID
9/21/0 with points in the creep and flat damage reduction--it's huge in lane, especially with your passive
Either flat ap/mpen/mp5 mix/scaling ap or ms/mpen/mp5 mix/flat mr
boots + 3 opening always
Rush boots 2, either cdr sorc or merc--usually merc, rarely sorc unless I'm feeling cheeky and ran my ap page
Cata -> rylais or just rylais
group your team and engage like a maniac
diverge
QWWEWR R>W>E>Q

JUNGLE
9/21/0 or 0/21/9
ms/aspd/armor/mr or aspd/aspd/armor/mr
cloth 5, boots 3, or regen 1
boots + hog/philo
Rylais
diverge
EQEWER R>E>W>Q

sylverfyre

United States8298 Posts

August 04 2012 14:34 GMT

#140

I'm starting to realize that just the THREAT of hitting with rupture is enough to really screw up people's positioning in teamfights. When the AP carry is too busy trying to dodge rupture and stay away from my silence range, they aren't blowing anyone up. Also i'ts very awesome when annie goes FLASH and I go RAAAAAAWRRRRRR before tibbers drops on people.