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On September 05 2011 12:21 STS17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 07:07 Ryuu314 wrote:
gunblade es #1 item. always vamp never not vamp
i personally just think spellvamp is kind of a dumb mechanic but maybe that's just me. I agree, spell vamp is just a crappy mechanic. It's inherently hard to balance because of the insane amount of regeneration burst casters could get from it if they had too much or it's negligible in the amount of regeneration it provides.
This is kind of mitigated by the fact that spells have cooldowns AND if you play 100% ideally you shouldn't be taking any damage. (Other than Morde, Vlad, and Swain)
EDIT: Also the big damage bursts usually come at beginning of the fight where casters should have close to full HP
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People always think I'm trolling with gunblade mantheon.
Even after they die.
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On September 05 2011 15:23 Lanzoma wrote:
People always think I'm trolling with gunblade mantheon.
Even after they die.
Honestly, gunblade pantheon is the only way to play him IMO. He can't afford to itemize defensively and the vamp allows him to stay in fights.
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On September 05 2011 15:23 Lanzoma wrote:
People always think I'm trolling with gunblade mantheon.
Even after they die.
I tested it today in a normal..
I forced morde to go support lower, so I could top...
Even when i was 11-1-4, morde was going
"report pantheon troll noob 2 hextechs wtf"
"omg third hextech wtf troll report noob"
"game is lost i dont care"
"we lose cos of you" (we were winning/we won/who cares lol)
etc etc
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On September 06 2011 10:14 arthur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2011 15:23 Lanzoma wrote:
People always think I'm trolling with gunblade mantheon.
Even after they die. I tested it today in a normal.. I forced morde to go support lower, so I could top... Even when i was 11-1-4, morde was going "report pantheon troll noob 2 hextechs wtf" "omg third hextech wtf troll report noob" "game is lost i dont care" "we lose cos of you" (we were winning/we won/who cares lol) etc etc
Well, more than one gunblade is pretty trolly >.>
2 Dblades+Gunblade+BT+LW imo. Maybe a GA so you don't insta-die.
Altho I gotta say, the stats on Gunblade are so damn efficient it's almost imba imo. U can just stack pure gunblades and still get a shitload of AD/AP.
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Gunblade on one of the highest AD scaling dudes on the game.. who woulda thunk it?
but can somebody try to explain why you would even get this item for Panth? does it make him tanky from spellvamp?
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On September 06 2011 10:56 broz0rs wrote:
Gunblade on one of the highest AD scaling dudes on the game.. who woulda thunk it?
but can somebody try to explain why you would even get this item for Panth? does it make him tanky from spellvamp?
I've never done it, but my guess is that the insane vamp you get from it will let you stay in fights a little longer.
You'd still die easily to concentrated burst but otherwise you have more sustain. It's kinda like why you would sometimes get BT on range AD. So you have some form of heal in fights.
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Gunblade active is really nice for Panth too.
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On September 06 2011 11:27 crate wrote:
Gunblade active is really nice for Panth too.
god, i just love gunblade active, i just cant ever get over how awesome it is
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On September 06 2011 11:25 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 10:56 broz0rs wrote:
Gunblade on one of the highest AD scaling dudes on the game.. who woulda thunk it?
but can somebody try to explain why you would even get this item for Panth? does it make him tanky from spellvamp? I've never done it, but my guess is that the insane vamp you get from it will let you stay in fights a little longer. You'd still die easily to concentrated burst but otherwise you have more sustain. It's kinda like why you would sometimes get BT on range AD. So you have some form of heal in fights.
This is basically it.
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best way to build gunblade on pantheon is double bdlade -> brutalizer -> cutlass -> BT -> gunblade IMO. Cutlass active is somewhat cute after your W. I like it for nubstomping, but I'm not sure I'd ever use it at my real elo.
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On September 07 2011 00:17 Mogwai wrote:
best way to build gunblade on pantheon is double bdlade -> brutalizer -> cutlass -> BT -> gunblade IMO. Cutlass active is somewhat cute after your W. I like it for nubstomping, but I'm not sure I'd ever use it at my real elo.
Is the damage loss from going revolver instead of cutlass first too much for the survivability gains from the vamp? Or is the lifesteal on your auto-attacks enough at that point in the game?
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well, it's not like you spam your shit in lane. you spam auto-attacks on creeps with less than 15% HP, meaning you get to lifesteal auto-crits, meaning lifesteal is way the fuck better for lane sustainability. Spell vamp is mostly just useful later on in teamfights and stuff. Also, Cutlass gives you an active that's useful, and as you already noted, gives way better damage.
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On September 06 2011 10:38 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 10:14 arthur wrote:On September 05 2011 15:23 Lanzoma wrote:
People always think I'm trolling with gunblade mantheon.
Even after they die. I tested it today in a normal.. I forced morde to go support lower, so I could top... Even when i was 11-1-4, morde was going "report pantheon troll noob 2 hextechs wtf" "omg third hextech wtf troll report noob" "game is lost i dont care" "we lose cos of you" (we were winning/we won/who cares lol) etc etc Well, more than one gunblade is pretty trolly >.>2 Dblades+Gunblade+BT+LW imo. Maybe a GA so you don't insta-die. Altho I gotta say, the stats on Gunblade are so damn efficient it's almost imba imo. U can just stack pure gunblades and still get a shitload of AD/AP.
Pantheon is trolly.
And don't ">.>" me... If multiple gunblades = carry + win its not ">.>" its "^_^ :D !! h4x :3"
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On September 07 2011 04:54 arthur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 10:38 Ryuu314 wrote:On September 06 2011 10:14 arthur wrote:On September 05 2011 15:23 Lanzoma wrote:
People always think I'm trolling with gunblade mantheon.
Even after they die. I tested it today in a normal.. I forced morde to go support lower, so I could top... Even when i was 11-1-4, morde was going "report pantheon troll noob 2 hextechs wtf" "omg third hextech wtf troll report noob" "game is lost i dont care" "we lose cos of you" (we were winning/we won/who cares lol) etc etc Well, more than one gunblade is pretty trolly >.>2 Dblades+Gunblade+BT+LW imo. Maybe a GA so you don't insta-die. Altho I gotta say, the stats on Gunblade are so damn efficient it's almost imba imo. U can just stack pure gunblades and still get a shitload of AD/AP. Pantheon is trolly. And don't ">.>" me... If multiple gunblades = carry + win its not ">.>" its "^_^ :D !! h4x :3"
That's true. Funnily enough I've had more success stacking gunblades on Tryn than I do building him more traditionally lol
I suppose this could carry over to Panth
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vamp (spell and lifesteal) easily one of the most underrated stats. which is kinda funny kus it was one of the most overrated by pugs in DotA, which is why it was my kneejerk reaction to kinda underrate it in this game too.
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On September 08 2011 14:28 barbsq wrote:
vamp (spell and lifesteal) easily one of the most underrated stats. which is kinda funny kus it was one of the most overrated by pugs in DotA, which is why it was my kneejerk reaction to kinda underrate it in this game too.
Well the thing is, in LoL, lifesteal stacks while in DotA it doesn't and acts as an orb effect (usually) which limits your itemization options.
Which is why stacking shit like gunblade is so damn lulzy cause you get hilarious levels of vamp after a couple items.
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On September 08 2011 16:19 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 14:28 barbsq wrote:
vamp (spell and lifesteal) easily one of the most underrated stats. which is kinda funny kus it was one of the most overrated by pugs in DotA, which is why it was my kneejerk reaction to kinda underrate it in this game too. Well the thing is, in LoL, lifesteal stacks while in DotA it doesn't and acts as an orb effect (usually) which limits your itemization options. Which is why stacking shit like gunblade is so damn lulzy cause you get hilarious levels of vamp after a couple items.
Everything stated is true, but you forgot to mention the cost of lifesteal and the lack of stat diversity on lifesteal items.
Most of the items were "tanky" items. (The only exception is mask of madness which is a deathwish on most non-tanks but can be considered a DPS item)
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Mask of Madness was jawesome. I fucking loved charging across the whole map with Spirit Breaker to isolate 1 jerk freefarming, activate Mask and then stunlock rape them.
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gunblade panth is a troll build lol
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