EPT[Champion] Xin Zhao - Page 9
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
Darius seems slightly stronger I played against him. I got fucked by the shen though but I still managed to get decent farm but I lost the trades. | ||
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iaeuy
United States249 Posts
On July 15 2012 10:36 101toss wrote: Hey guys how do you feel about support xin? He has bad scaling anyways, a decent knockup and gap closer, support items are fine on him (starks/omen/aegis/shurelyas), and they will be giving him a knockback on him ult and 15% armor reduction. Janna 2.0? I tried support-ish xin yesterday (also thinking it would be some taric-janna hybrid) and i found that - janna counters xin in lane pretty hard, its hard to even get your knockup off - xin ult is not a janna ult and is weaker if you try to use it the same way (lower range and knockback) - but otherwise he has pretty good kill potential and can also help other lanes - once i built some cdr and tank items i functioned pretty well as an initiator and had pretty good cc | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 21 2012 02:36 Slayer91 wrote: Why would rumble be good against xin? If wukongs good against rumble then xin should be too. Darius seems slightly stronger I played against him. I got fucked by the shen though but I still managed to get decent farm but I lost the trades. Because rumble just gives up CS and tries to CS with E until 3 or 4 then poops on him. You just run armor runes cloth 5 and rush tabi. after the first time you both go back there's nothing xin can do to win trades. Rumble controls when engagements end | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
On July 15 2012 10:36 101toss wrote: Hey guys how do you feel about support xin? He has bad scaling anyways, a decent knockup and gap closer, support items are fine on him (starks/omen/aegis/shurelyas), and they will be giving him a knockback on him ult and 15% armor reduction. Janna 2.0? interesting... I must try this. Imho, any sort of reliable ranged stun makes someone viable for support, tho I dont see xin being an effective utility lategame without dieing, which is a problem. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 21 2012 02:49 Slayer91 wrote: Have you tested this? In real games where even when you start winning trades you become vulnerable? yeah I have. Xin is similar to Darius in that they both die to ganks very easily. Without any mobility they have flash and that's about it. Xin naturally pushes the lane when rumble gives up CS in the first few levels, so he has to play really conservatively or die to jungle ganks. He's not able to press his advantage early, so rumble just backs and gets ninja tabi, a ward, maybe a couple potions, and wins the rest of the lane. Even if we weren't considering jungle pressure on xin early on, I still think rumble wins | ||
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101toss
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
On July 21 2012 03:07 Perplex wrote: yeah I have. Xin is similar to Darius in that they both die to ganks very easily. Without any mobility they have flash and that's about it. Xin naturally pushes the lane when rumble gives up CS in the first few levels, so he has to play really conservatively or die to jungle ganks. He's not able to press his advantage early, so rumble just backs and gets ninja tabi, a ward, maybe a couple potions, and wins the rest of the lane. Even if we weren't considering jungle pressure on xin early on, I still think rumble wins Rumble dies to ganks easily too. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
meh B- | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
Personally I think he only works because people don't know how to play against him | ||
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
Xin naturally pushes the lane when rumble gives up CS in the first few levels, so he has to play really conservatively or die to jungle ganks. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
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101toss
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 21 2012 05:13 Slayer91 wrote: You said rumble wins the lane after the early game. You seem to be assuming jungle ganks massively disappear and you win the lane? I'm assuming you can buy wards from the shop after going back for the first time. Xin is also much worse at escaping from ganks than rumble is, so your argument has no basis whatsoever. If both junglers are ganking evenly Xin will be even worse off. edit: I'll 1v1 but it looks like you're EU | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
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Perplex
United States1693 Posts
On July 21 2012 07:09 Slayer91 wrote: 1v1 doesn't prove anything If there is a big skill gap then yes I would agree. Otherwise, it can prove which champions win certain lanes without jungle interference. | ||
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Slayer91
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