EPTboots/ward/pot or cloth/1-2wards/pot->dblade stack->phage->boots/2->aegis/FH/wit's->FMallet/Triforce->some aura stuff
I don't know, I just don't feel gp/5's are the best after 'em nerfs
[Champion] Xin Zhao - Page 11
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101toss
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boots/ward/pot or cloth/1-2wards/pot->dblade stack->phage->boots/2->aegis/FH/wit's->FMallet/Triforce->some aura stuff I don't know, I just don't feel gp/5's are the best after 'em nerfs | ||
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ZeroCartin
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Vaporized
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Requizen
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On August 01 2012 06:58 Vaporized wrote: anyone jungling him atm? really strong atm imo. Yeah, been doing it when we don't need someone super tanky. Pretty good, nice ganks, good teamfights, etc. He's got some drawbacks (using E ever makes oom fastly, no hard CC outside of Q), but his build isn't bad for jungle, and he can clear decently fast with just QW. In fact, his counter-jungling is pretty good considering how fast you can just murder something with WQ-Smite and get out, stealing Red is pretty easy. | ||
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Vaporized
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Requizen
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His early and mid game might be OP as fuck though. | ||
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Vaporized
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ive been going philo, avarice, merc treads, phage, bruta, finish triforce, frozen mallet, finish ghostblade. GA if the game is still going. i guess thats saintvicious build, it works really well. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 01 2012 07:40 Vaporized wrote: what do you build? im curious. ive been going philo, avarice, merc treads, phage, bruta, finish triforce, frozen mallet, finish ghostblade. GA if the game is still going. i guess thats saintvicious build, it works really well. Talked about it on the last page a bit. I forgo gp10s on him and grab midgame power items like Kindlegem, Bruta, and Phage, then shoot for Ghostblade and Frozen Mallet as my first big ticket items, grabbing Zeke's at some point as well. Triforce is another great option if I get ahead, but you generally don't get that fed in the jungle. It's probably not optimized at all, but it's a good amount of CDR, Health and AD, which I feel are his best stats. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
I've been going dblade (sometimes shield)/merc/kindle/phage. Sometimes a chain vest or Null mantle thrown in. I feel like with those items, you achieve the most important role of Xin which is Force your target to back out of the fight Force the enemy team to peel since no one can really 1v1 you. Be tanky enough that you can't be gibbed by midgame burst Stick to your target regardless of whatever gets thrown at you. I feel like to get a brutalizer in there, you have to sacrifice either Tenacity, health, or the slow just for the sake of doing more damage which I feel isnt needed. So I would have to get brutalizer after the above core but I really want the sheen or Glacial since you really benefit from the larger mana pool and you get so much more utility Glacial allows you to tower dive better, chase better, disable better, and do/take more damage. Sheen gives you really solid burst damage with a E-Q combo. I figure realistically, no one is going to sit around 1v1ing you anyway so I prefer the burst damage of sheen over the sustained damage of Brutalizer. With Trinity Force, any ad carry or non-tanky AP/support is going to melt since your E-QR combo will literally do half their health. Afterwards, getting Zeke's/FH allows you to permaslow/knockup/knockback any threat to your ad carry (along with the auras of Zeke's/FH). Or if the enemy adcarry is a problem, you can still be a serious threat to them with just TF/Zekes/FH. Probably finish the build with Raduins/FoN/Warmogs/Bloodrazor as needed. It does basically ignore his adscaling completely but the ult is almost always going to be used for utility or bursting a squishy down which you don't need more damage to do. So that just leaves the Q which, with max CDR, basically acts as a natural damage steroid and doubles as a massive disable. If you're trying to protect your ad carry from someone like shyvanna/jax/udyr/etc and you build enough damage to be a significant threat to them, you're just going to get bursted down early in the fight. But if you get the TF slow+auras+max CDR, you can pretty much completely shutdown a bruiser of your choice. TLDR: I feel that getting a brutalizer early makes you a shitter version of BT-rush leesin, Master Yi, akali, or any other melee burst-assasin type. Getting a brutalizer later just wastes a slot better used up by Tanky/CDR/utility items. | ||
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Requizen
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I'm always at a loss as to what to build Phage into, though. TF and FMallet are both godmode on him (TF for killing, FMallet to be unkillable once you ult), I suppose it's just something to play by ear. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Practically speaking, I don't necessarily see the effectiveness of Brutalizer + a cost-effective pure defensive item like Aegis being worse than half-offense, half-defense items like Phage and Zeke's, especially since Bruta/Aegis have higher innate cost-effectiveness to begin with. | ||
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Requizen
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On August 01 2012 07:40 Vaporized wrote: what do you build? im curious. ive been going philo, avarice, merc treads, phage, bruta, finish triforce, frozen mallet, finish ghostblade. GA if the game is still going. i guess thats saintvicious build, it works really well. frozen mallet and triforce have a really large overlap in function. I'd recommend replacing one or the other. Prob either replace mallet with aegis, omen or frozen heart (i guess it depends on how much cdr you have in your runes and whatnot), or triforce with maybe something like wits end. | ||
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Requizen
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 02 2012 01:02 Requizen wrote: However, would you say Bruta-Aegis helps you get to the later game better? It's probably very strong early/mid, but Aegis is a mid game defensive item (for the most part), and Phage's build paths are stronger than Ghostblade, at least in my opinion. Aegis is strong the whole game. The only downside is that it's weak when you hit 6 items, but junglers usually don't bump up against that limitation. Ghostblade is fine late game. On August 02 2012 01:02 Requizen wrote: Zeke's is also a mid game item, admittedly, but you can sit on Kindle for a stupid long time, and there's a pretty good chance someone else on your team will get Aegis anyway. lol who else is going to get Aegis. Top laners never do, and 15-20 minute Aegis on a jungler is monumentally more game-changing than 35 minute Aegis on a support. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On August 02 2012 01:32 TheYango wrote: Aegis is strong the whole game. The only downside is that it's weak when you hit 6 items, but junglers usually don't bump up against that limitation. Ghostblade is fine late game. lol who else is going to get Aegis. Top laners never do, and 15-20 minute Aegis on a jungler is monumentally more game-changing than 35 minute Aegis on a support. /shrug. I get it on a handful of top laners (not all), and it's usually my first buy after gold items on support (unless we really need Shurelya). Then again, I'm kinda mediocre at support. | ||
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Vaporized
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Perplex
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sylverfyre
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Navi
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On August 02 2012 01:34 Requizen wrote: /shrug. I get it on a handful of top laners (not all), and it's usually my first buy after gold items on support (unless we really need Shurelya). Then again, I'm kinda mediocre at support. top laners r greedy huehue | ||
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