EPTThe guy who wrote the book on Nasus
[Champion] Nasus - Page 7
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
The guy who wrote the book on Nasus | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
i have to update this guide when i get to playing nasus more . | ||
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 04 2013 08:08 obesechicken13 wrote: The on autoattack mod of Nasus' Q can crit now. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3080900 Before it couldn't. This is weird. It really shouldn't imo. It leads to a lot more damage on lucky TriForce crits and I have no idea when it was stealth patched in... Little things like this make theorycrafting much harder. Atma's now viable damage item? | ||
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CatharsisUT
United States487 Posts
I mean, it's better, but you probably want glacial regardless since it's so strong on him. So do you really want to put more defensive gold into armor? And is crit really better than more CDR from something with a kindlegem? CDR is more reliable damage for Nasus, and it's so helpful on Wither. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 04 2013 11:12 CatharsisUT wrote: I mean, it's better, but you probably want glacial regardless since it's so strong on him. So do you really want to put more defensive gold into armor? And is crit really better than more CDR from something with a kindlegem? CDR is more reliable damage for Nasus, and it's so helpful on Wither. you would buy the money sword early and finish it as a 5th/6th item | ||
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Amarok
Australia2003 Posts
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
Machete/5pot -> kindlegem -> glacial -> IE -> PD -> visage -> mogs? LW? fist? move visage or fist up earlier as needed. Relies entirely on having a manaless mid so you can take every blue, and on your lanes not being fucking terrible. if your lanes are fucking terrible, you would have to stop farming to assist them. this is not acceptable. enjoy your 2k crits 30 minutes into the game! | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
Some random qns: ° Are the lifesteal quints non-negotiable, or could you get away with MS quints? ° You're maxing Wither over Siphoning Strike - any particular lanes etc you prefer to gank? ° With regards to Q farm, what's yr priority (Qing the small creeps when it's off cooldown before going back to AAing the big creep etc)? What are some decent targets for yr Q bonus at 10/20/30mins from the jungle? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
-cdr quints blues -4/5/21 masteries might be worth doing because frozen fist and spirit visage are pretty shitty cost effectiveness and you have to spend a lot to get there might be worth just getting locket and spirit of the ancient golem and bulwark into trinity force or something. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
I managed to hit 180 Q damage and level 7 in 10 minutes jungle heroing(backing once at level 4). On wraiths& wolves, with blue buff and 4% CDR it's not unrealistic to be able to spirit fire, Q one, auto big creep, Q another small creep, auto big one, finish it with a last Q after kiting for about a second or two. 2 points in spirit fire is optimal I think because it gets every creep low enough to kill with an auto attack/Q and one of the small wraiths will die to bladed armor so long as you upgrade to spirit stone at level 4/5. EDIT: Blind picking nasus jungle, we shall see how this goes. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 05 2013 05:35 Haasts wrote: Hey 101toss, it's been great spectating yr jungle Nasus games, though I've never stumbled across one from the beginning. Some random qns: ° Are the lifesteal quints non-negotiable, or could you get away with MS quints? ° You're maxing Wither over Siphoning Strike - any particular lanes etc you prefer to gank? ° With regards to Q farm, what's yr priority (Qing the small creeps when it's off cooldown before going back to AAing the big creep etc)? What are some decent targets for yr Q bonus at 10/20/30mins from the jungle? Lifesteal quints are optional, you could always go AS/AD for faster clearing or MS/CDR for better utility. I do buy boots of swiftness pretty often so in teamfights MS quints would be worth less. Lifesteal quints are so you don't need potions after the first 5 (not to mention it scales really well in the league of health belts). Maxing wither over siphoning strike because your q scaling doesn't increase with leveling that up (only increases cdr, mana cost, and base damage). Since it's wither, I prefer ganking any lane that doesn't have a flash escape (i.e. not Riven), but I usually see myself mid since that's where wraith camp is (and nasus loves wraith camp). If any lane is overextended or needs help I'll still go there, but that's my preference. Priority in jungle is to E the camp, q a small thing to death, autoattack the big one, q another small thing, repeat until big one is about to die, then q. I do find myself waiting for q cd to kill a big thing because I think it's worth the wait for +12 damage, especially when speccing into some cdr. On February 05 2013 07:22 Slayer91 wrote: if you guys want cdr you can have 40% with blue buff at level one. -cdr quints blues -4/5/21 masteries might be worth doing because frozen fist and spirit visage are pretty shitty cost effectiveness and you have to spend a lot to get there might be worth just getting locket and spirit of the ancient golem and bulwark into trinity force or something. If you really want cost effective cdr, you can just stack lockets. I am dead fuckin' serious. Although I prefer just going locket, cdr blues, and aegis, since 4 second on max rank q is good enough for me. Note that this stuff is still undergoing lots of playtesting. Trying to fit in avarice blade on the build (I'm sticking it in after locket for now). you can find my match history at: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/22853386#history | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23448 Posts
4/5/21 or just 0/9/21 might be worth it. Get cdr boots+kindlegem into spirit of the ancient golem+locket into bulwark or trinity force. you only need 15% bonus cdr so you drop the 4% and maybe 1 CDR blue or something so you're exactly at 40% with that. The point is you don't have to wait to get items to get your CDR meaning you get it early and use it to stack Q Faster and invest in full tank rather than going through awkward builds like glacial and spirit visage when you mightn't want either of those items. The other reasons to get max CDR are W being a 6.6 s cd spell with a 5 second duration and also but less importantly E being up 5 seconds every 7 as well stacking lockets is a dumb idea when CDR comes pretty easily and cheaper from runes and masteries. AD quints are VERY meh on nasus anyway and you're already getting cdr blues so going defensive spec and going 4 pots + a ward so you can not worry about early pressure since you can ward top early and just farm for 10 minutes seems pretty smart. also, the maximum theoretical Q farm for 1 lane is 130 every 3 minutes, and you have to q on at least once per 5 seconds at that. A full ring of small camps 36 and they respawn every minute so if you can kill 9 creeps a minute in the jungle you can get 108 every 3 minutes so it's actually pretty damn close even if the gold/xp is way off. You also need to Q every single creep to get 130 and it's easier to q every jungle minion. Atmas doesn't seem to make a huge amount of sense. Might as well go the whole hog and get a trinity, its guaranteed boost damage from sheen proc and gives some nice other stats as well. Atmas is pretty meh since they nerfed it down to 1.5% and thats for people who really like AD and crit while nasus doesn't use AD that well. | ||
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rhs408
United States904 Posts
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 05 2013 11:43 rhs408 wrote: I just tried crit nasus as well in a custom, had some fun and got up to 80% crit rate along with frozen fist, was able to 1v5 the enemy team in about 15 seconds. Not sure if it's actually viable for real games though - after buying sheen and then a single IE (which in itself would be difficult to get in a game vs semi-competent players), I wasn't anywhere near as dominating as I thought I would be. You're only getting that huge damage blow 25% of the time, which is not very reliable or effective for the gold investment you're putting into it, especially in team fights. So I still don't think I'd ever get an IE or an Atma's for Nasus unless I was ridiculously fed, although TF should be a very nice buy now. the reasoning of of an atma's over other damage items is the following: 1. you can buy the money sword early and farm it up, finishing up atma's once your health pool is massive 2. atma's gives 45 armor, making it much less of a liability than IE/Hydra/LW/GB/PD/SotD/most damage items. 3. the cost, TF requires 3.9k while atma's is 2.3k (before money sword bonus is factored in) 4. atma's and money sword offers crit unlike hydra and whisper, and as of now q scales off crit (this may changed, we'll see) The argument that base ad doesn't matter on nasus is kinda faulty since 60+ bonus on q is still 60 bonus damage on Q and autoattacks. By this logic, you probably wouldn't need a damage item; might as well buy another health belt item | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
Runes: Crit Quints/Marks/Seals, Armor Glyphs Masteries: 21/9/0 Summoner Spells: Smite/Ghost Build: Machete -> Spirit Stone + Boots -> Glacial + Kindle Gem -> Ancient Golem + Swiftness Boots -> Spirit Visage + Frozen Heart -> Last Whisper -> IE Skill Order: QEQW R>W>Q>E You could definitely use Armor Seals and MR Glyphs if you wanted, but Nasus actually clears fine without Armor. I routinely ended with 4+ health potions when I got a leash. You could also abstain from the Crit entirely if you so chose, but I really like the crit for the one in six chance of nailing them with a 300-400 damage Q at level 5-7. It also feeds really nicely into IE as a last item (I crit an Olaf who built FH and Sunfire Cape for 900 damage while he was ulting and benefiting from Soraka's Armor buff). The key to the item build is tankiness and CDR, and also CC reduction. FH + Golem + SV + Swiftness boots makes you a very tanky, difficult to kite foe, and allows you to spam wither and screw over enemy teams. This build is extremely strong given how much damage you can stack on your Q. I take two points in Q early because the small amount of extra damage and cooldown reduction is noticeable when trying to stack its damage. From there I max W for ganking. Wither gets incredibly strong incredibly quickly, and makes for some really vicious ganks in any lane. Jungle Nasus is really, really fun, and will definitely still work even if Riot nerfs this crit craziness. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 05 2013 16:30 Seuss wrote: Here's the jungle setup I've really liked out of all my tests tonight: Runes: Crit Quints/Marks/Seals, Armor Glyphs Masteries: 21/9/0 Summoner Spells: Smite/Ghost Build: Machete -> Spirit Stone + Boots -> Glacial + Kindle Gem -> Ancient Golem + Swiftness Boots -> Spirit Visage + Frozen Heart -> Last Whisper -> IE Skill Order: QEQW R>W>Q>E You could definitely use Armor Seals and MR Glyphs if you wanted, but Nasus actually clears fine without Armor. I routinely ended with 4+ health potions when I got a leash. You could also abstain from the Crit entirely if you so chose, but I really like the crit for the one in six chance of nailing them with a 300-400 damage Q at level 5-7. It also feeds really nicely into IE as a last item (I crit an Olaf who built FH and Sunfire Cape for 900 damage while he was ulting and benefiting from Soraka's Armor buff). The key to the item build is tankiness and CDR, and also CC reduction. FH + Golem + SV + Swiftness boots makes you a very tanky, difficult to kite foe, and allows you to spam wither and screw over enemy teams. This build is extremely strong given how much damage you can stack on your Q. I take two points in Q early because the small amount of extra damage and cooldown reduction is noticeable when trying to stack its damage. From there I max W for ganking. Wither gets incredibly strong incredibly quickly, and makes for some really vicious ganks in any lane. Jungle Nasus is really, really fun, and will definitely still work even if Riot nerfs this crit craziness. rofl monte i was just about to post running crit reds when i saw this also why not level 1 e? it helps your clear so much (brings everything down to q range) | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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