when I am ahead on Jax (I'm talking like a full 1500g of items ahead) how do I put pressure on the tower vs tops who can't be dove. In this scenario I was vs a Trynd but could be say kennen as well, looking for tips.

zergnewb

United States816 Posts

August 27 2013 18:39 GMT

#842

Well on that LoL Summer Lesson thing, it was said to not try to put pressure on the tower and just go help your team out in one of those cases.

BlasiuS

United States2405 Posts

August 27 2013 20:38 GMT

#843

On August 28 2013 03:24 Slusher wrote:
when I am ahead on Jax (I'm talking like a full 1500g of items ahead) how do I put pressure on the tower vs tops who can't be dove. In this scenario I was vs a Trynd but could be say kennen as well, looking for tips.

If the champ in question also has good waveclear in addition to strong anti-dive, then you can't really put pressure on the tower. Tryndamere and kennen both fall under this category, so there really isn't much you can do to these champs. If you notice that they try to waveclear as soon as they see you leave lane, you can just hide in the bush and wait for them to clear, then freeze the lane by your tower, at which point they can't do anything since you're 1500g ahead and can easily go all-in for a kill as soon as they come near you.

edit: kennen can't really wave-clear fast until he gets level 4/5 in his W, which won't be until level 12-13, so in the early-game kennen is susceptible to lane shoving.

The best way to harass under tower is to walk up, hit with an empowered ult proc, then quickly jump away to a friendly minion. If you do it right you only take one tower shot.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

August 27 2013 21:48 GMT

#844

Freezing was a non option rest of team was losing and I needed to go carry but I was afraid of letting trynd back in the game. Ultimately I traded my life for the tower which worked out but I thought there has to be a better way

^top lane Kennen should be W max vs. melee.

Empire11

Australia20 Posts

September 09 2013 07:26 GMT

#845

What runes/masteries are you guys using?

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

September 09 2013 13:29 GMT

#846

I run a standard adc page right now

Q:2LS 1AD
R:AD Y:AR B:MR/lvl

I could see aspd reds being good though, I also really want to try split pen reds but that would require me to be manly enough to open dblade and I just am not that manly.

I do split pen on alternate maps where you can open with 500g+ of items and it's pretty nice.

Arisen

United States2382 Posts

September 10 2013 06:49 GMT

#847

What do you guys feel about item builds with the new phage/tri?

I rushed the old phage>tri a lot (in games where I could harass) because it was phenomenal for trading, but I feel like it's a lot better for guys like Udyr or something that orb walk a ton now, you know?

I usually start cloth 5 in most cases unless it's a faceroll lane, then I'm picking up 2 doran's and boots my first back, then going straight for BotRK from there. I feel like I'm without sheen for a long time though and I feel like that's such a good item on jax. Do you guys just straight up rush the BotRK or do you do something different?

miicah

Australia2470 Posts

September 10 2013 06:58 GMT

#848

Pretty sure the common one is rush TF into BotRK then all defensive items after that. I'm pretty sure that's why Shy used the other week.

skunk_works

United States109 Posts

September 10 2013 11:55 GMT

#849

i run mixed pen marks, ad quints, armor seals, mr glyphs

as for itemizing I rush TF, then either go for randuins or a witts end if I need more mr, then go zypher, ga. the items feel pretty solid, anyone else run witts on jax?

Alaric

France45622 Posts

September 10 2013 14:22 GMT

#850

I just build SV. Even before the buff I built SV. CDR is pretty freakin' huge on Jax, what with getting a 2nd counterstrike off during a duel, or simply dropping Leapstrike from 6 to 4 seconds cd. When you play against a very high dps team you really don't want to spend these 2 seconds running after that Tristana or Karthus.

BlasiuS

United States2405 Posts

September 10 2013 23:43 GMT

#851

Also highly recommend SV if you need MR. Jax gets plenty of AS from his passive, and then both BotRK and Trinity give even more AS as well.

The CDR alone on SV heavily outweighs anything Wit's End can offer. But even on top of that everything on SV is useful.

Arisen

United States2382 Posts

September 11 2013 01:57 GMT

#852

When you go Tri first, do you get a vamp scepter or anything, or do you just rely on pots for sustain?

Alaric

France45622 Posts

September 11 2013 02:11 GMT

#853

Experimenting with lifesteal quints atm (using the AD marks, 1 AD 2 lifesteal quints page usually for marksmen), and I generally get a dblade and a flask at one point or another (guess I could start dshield and skimp on one of the others). Seems to be enough.
I tend to spend a lot on pots though.

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

September 11 2013 02:51 GMT

#854

With how strong triforce is, I would honestly just forgo a vamp if at all possible and either buy a flask or a lot of pots if I need to.

Lifesteal quints help a lot if you can afford it.

zergnewb

United States816 Posts

September 11 2013 04:49 GMT

#855

Even before the triforce buff I just lived off of a dblade and pots. I've never really felt the need to get vamp or any extra sustain before triforce is finished.

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

September 11 2013 07:42 GMT

#856

Whats the idea behind botrk on jax? I mean i know he does alot of damage with it, but so does everyone. It doesn't reallyseem to have much synergy with him, his damage is quite sustained so the burst doesnt add much, and hes quite sticky with the low cd leap, and stun, plus tri speed.

Wouldnt it be better to just pick up a hydra and get the mega fast waveclear he is missing? With that kind of pushing power he becomes a split push terror with his crazy dueling potential.

Tula

Austria1544 Posts

September 11 2013 09:52 GMT

#857

considering his ult damage scales off atk speed and ap (not sure on the numbers of the scaling) botrk has 3 things jax loves:
atk speed, slow (something he doesnt have) and lifesteal. Basically it comes down to botrk or gunblade, and I like the buildpath of botrk better.

The thing is, he doesn't 100% need either item, but if you have the luxury to build 2 offensive items I'd go triforce botrk. Usually I built triforce than at least one tank item (either spirit visage or randuins depending on enemy team etc.). Simply because a Jax with 2 big items is a major threat. If your good enough that you are never out of position in teamfights you can go full glass cannon and rely on the ult for all your defensive needs, but personally I'm not good enough for that

Alaric

France45622 Posts

September 11 2013 11:25 GMT

#858

Triforce pre-buff was kinda awkward, especially the build-up (fuck Phage), because you'd have to heavily outtrade your opponent to make it sustainable (or straight-up beat them in an all-in, and it's not excessively easy if they have a BotRK because of the active).
There are also a bunch of annoying lanes for Jax where he can't freely jump at his opponent and hit him until he gives in, or he gets harassed a bunch, or the opponent has sustain, etc. and BotRK's sustain was the solution to keep him in lane and allow him to rely on base damage to win the trades.

Basically, pre-Triforce buff BotRK was the staple, safe option, and Triforce was the superior burst/damage option that you couldn't run into every lane but would prioritise every time you could.
The new build-up is a lot smoother and the new Phage passive also eases his mana costs/mobility (don't need to burn Q anymore to reach someone, esp. melee champs, last hit a creep with your 2nd hit then run at them) which helps his trading and early power a lot.

Amarok

Australia2003 Posts

September 18 2013 03:56 GMT

#859

Does anyone feel like Jax fits his design thematic very well in that he can use almost anything? Seriously he likes nearly every stat you can buy, at least from an offensive perspective. I'm struggling to think of a commonly purchased item that wouldn't work extremely well on him because he doesn't need an extreme amount of a particular stat to really get rolling.

Sure, TF/BotRK is awesome, but Nashors/Zephyr (to semi-randomly pick two items) trucks people pretty stupid hard as well, as does IE/Shiv or WE/IBG etc.

It might be just my experience but I feel like he rewards players that can build adaptively because of this.

Complete

United States1864 Posts

September 18 2013 05:42 GMT

#860

eh, I see where you're coming from but an item like IE is just strictly worse than his other options. Not terrible, but definitely worse in every situation.

There's still a lot more options on him than normal champions have though, and I'd at least say that the 'bad' purchases aren't as bad as 'bad' items are on others.