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Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
September 18 2013 09:40 GMT
#861
Zephyr is amazing on jax because it gives AS, CDR and allows you to get tabi instead of mercs (something incredibly strong against multiple AD's). The timing for me, is usually double offensive items (Triforce+Botrk/Gunblade) into 1 defensive item (mostly Visage or randuins) and then zephyr.


You can talk about versatility, but it all comes down to jax just liking items in general. He's a hyper-carry; everytime you purchase an item, your power increases exponentially.
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-26 20:57:43
September 26 2013 20:52 GMT
#862
With the strength of Trinity I've been playing 9/9/12 Jax. 2 Lifesteal Quints and the 3% life steal+spell vamp in utility means you don't need to get a vamp scepter early and you can buy less pots. It only really sucks when you lose out on a trade by like 10-20 HP and you know that if you went 21/9 or 9/21 you probably would've came out ahead (granted, this is also why you take smarter trades but w/e).

Usually going Trinity -> Defense item -> Offense item -> more defense. If I get really ahead I'll go Botrk immediately after Trinity (or sometimes even old school Gunblade after Trinity).

I'm pretty sure that this build will still be solid after the Trinity nerf since they're just going to increase the cost of phage a bit and the ranged nerfs won't hurt Jax at all.

You lose out on damage but I think it's more reliable than the common 21/9 Jax setup and honestly Trinity is so good right now that I don't think the extra damage from the Offensive tree is as vital as safely getting to Trinity.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 26 2013 21:24 GMT
#863
I personally prefer a Gunblade follow-up to Triforce than Bork cuz Gunblade looks cooler. The spellvamp on it is also really insane since you get a ton of heal off of W.

Also, you can reasonably solo Baron with Triforce+Gunblade and maybe blue buff.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 26 2013 23:04 GMT
#864
21 offense is common? I just run 21 defense since I want to rely on base damage and fight people with repeated trades rather than burst them down or constantly all-in them.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
September 27 2013 00:10 GMT
#865
i feel like 21 offense duo pen is pretty common, but 9/21 is probably just as good!
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
September 28 2013 00:40 GMT
#866
Jax is one of the best carriers of muramana because of how much muramana procs.

It's a shame that tear sucks so much early game. I kinda wanna switch to sheen -> triforce but I still wanna be hipster with muramana botrk.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
September 28 2013 01:25 GMT
#867
wait, why the fuck would you build tear on jax? lol
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 01:37:47
September 28 2013 01:28 GMT
#868
On September 28 2013 10:25 Complete wrote:
wait, why the fuck would you build tear on jax? lol

To be hipster. Muramana active applies twice on his W and R's which I think is more than the triforce procs. I mean, under ideal circumstances he probably gets more damage out of muramana, a cheap item, than triforce, but the power spikes are different.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 28 2013 02:52 GMT
#869
Tear on Jax is awful. I'd recommend it to no one who actually wanted to play him effectively.

Triforce into tankiness is still damn effective, thanks to TF buffs, I find that I'm chosing EITHER tanky or lifesteal, depending on whether I can actually afford to sit there autoing to make lifesteal worth it. If I'm engaging in a lot of fights, getting a randuins after TF makes me last long enough for the fight to be over if I'm careful to not eat a lot of poke.

Jax has always been a staple top laner for me. Good playing safe, good playing aggressively, doesn't have too many static matchups that you lose from level 1 onward.
Hey! How you doin'?
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
September 28 2013 06:52 GMT
#870
Been playing jax a bit recently, what do you guys think are his worst matchups? Darius and Singed have been the hardest for me in my limited experience thus far but I'm sure there are others.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 28 2013 07:21 GMT
#871
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Complete
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1864 Posts
September 28 2013 08:30 GMT
#872
rumble owns jax in my experience, although if you can get an advantage early and get a hexdrinker on your first back it *might* be winnable.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 28 2013 10:08 GMT
#873
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Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-28 20:41:13
September 28 2013 20:41 GMT
#874
edit:: wrong thread.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
September 29 2013 02:05 GMT
#875
From my experience on both sides Rumble vs. Jax is really up in the air. Rumble has a good advantage from 3 to 6 and Jax has an advantage after 6 if they are even.

One build I was trying to work on for a while was Bilgewater Cutlass -> Guinsoo's RageBlade -> Warmog's -> BotRK but it wasn't working great for me. The idea was to get a lot of life steal and and a big health pool with Jax's ulti active, plus the BotRK active to keep Guinsoo's passive up for as long as I can to dominate the fights. However, instead I just got focused down pretty hard in teamfights(and often got my core after most of laning was done). If anyone wants a crack at making that build work, or wants to tell me what's wrong with it I'm all ears.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 29 2013 02:34 GMT
#876
On September 27 2013 06:24 Ryuu314 wrote:
I personally prefer a Gunblade follow-up to Triforce than Bork cuz Gunblade looks cooler. The spellvamp on it is also really insane since you get a ton of heal off of W.

Also, you can reasonably solo Baron with Triforce+Gunblade and maybe blue buff.

Anyone else have thoughts about BotRK vs Gunblade? Even though Impact and Expession both went the former, I think the latter is stronger. There's a lot of abilities that hit for spell vamp. Considering that Jax does better over time, the sustain from Gunblade feels much better than BotRK's AS and lifesteal only.
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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 04:28:03
September 29 2013 04:27 GMT
#877
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 05:12:57
September 29 2013 05:09 GMT
#878
Someone else can do that math, but I honestly think Gunblade would do more damage than Bork. Bork's effectiveness damage-wise is heavily impacted by armor and Jax is honestly never going to get any armor pen. Gunblade gives both AD and AP, two stats Jax scales off of. By boosting both Jax's autos and W/R, it makes it even harder than it already is to itemize defensively against him; indirectly giving him more damage potential.

On top of that, Gunblade also indirectly boosts Jax's survivability by giving him more sustain than Bork (20% spellvamp is pretty darn huge when you're W and R'ing on low cd) and also pumps his ult.

The biggest draw to Bork over Gunblade is the speed boost Bork gives. Gunblade, however, gives 40% slow (compared to Bork's 30%) and has 250 more range on Bork, which is arguably neglible since Jax's jump is 700 range. But given that Triforce is core on Jax, plus diminishing returns on movespeed boosts, I think Gunblade gives better chasing and sticking power.

EDIT: I think I can safely say that the reason why pros haven't/aren't building Gunblade on Jax (or anyone) is because Gunblade (and Jax for that matter) is basically completely unproven on the pro level so they're avoiding it due to unfamiliarity. I do think it's a good alternative to Bork, especially after all the Bork nerfs.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
September 29 2013 06:16 GMT
#879
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-29 10:49:42
September 29 2013 10:49 GMT
#880
I think gunblade is stronger even vs high HP champs. The only reason you would get Botrk in my opinion is chasing power as it is substatianlly better at chasing. Gunblade is harder to itemize against (can't get randuins, sunfire) but since visage is becoming more popular maybe against MR champs its not as good. Sure the attack speed is potentially more dps overall but gunblade gives a lot more burst for short trades (although honestly if you went trinity->gunblade I have no idea why there would be short trades, unless in and outs i guess)
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