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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 31 2013 17:44 GMT
#821
Na, in the video he started dblade against Irelia too, and he even ended up pushing a bit it seems since his jungler was able to lanegank. Which surprised me, but maybe he's just so good he's confident in his positioning and using Leapstrike to safety.

I still like to build Sheen before Phage if it's a match-up where I won't be able to fight without burning E, or will get my dps lowered (Nasus/Malphite's AS slows, Jayce's E dumb disengage, etc. and probably against ranged champs where I tend to max Q over W anyway).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
July 31 2013 17:55 GMT
#822
Was he that confident in his ability against Irelia holy shitz. That was like the most fun/intense/close matchup S2 (and still S3, just no one plays Irelia/Jax anymore). Dat confidence.
Jaedong :3
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
July 31 2013 19:01 GMT
#823
I like starting dblade, push the lane and going all in at level 2-3 - whether it works or not I immediately back and buy a ward + pots while they are pushing the lane back.

Then you get back to lane and you are up on items (they shouldntve been able to back yet) and can regain control of the lane / catch up in whatever farm you are down / survive till 6

Then I go BOTRK if the lane is just too damn hard or Trinity any other time, followed by a bunch of tank items.

Source: I have PAX Jax so i must be god
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 31 2013 20:51 GMT
#824
Won't you just get ganked if you wait for level 3, considering a standard timing if their jungle started on the opposite side? All-ining like that without wards sounds a bit risky. Or does it have to do with how/when you actually pick Jax so you know you'll be somewhat "safe" to do it?

I really like pushing rather hard when I can, if only because people are much less aggressive when they have a tinier creep wave, even by only a few minions, and then you can push their face in, back, come back to lane, and suddenly you're almost level 6, healthy, and you haven't had to deal with excessively obnoxious stuff at early levels because they didn't dare to abuse yours.
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De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
July 31 2013 21:10 GMT
#825
On August 01 2013 04:01 Atrioc wrote:
I like starting dblade, push the lane and going all in at level 2-3 - whether it works or not I immediately back and buy a ward + pots while they are pushing the lane back.

Then you get back to lane and you are up on items (they shouldntve been able to back yet) and can regain control of the lane / catch up in whatever farm you are down / survive till 6

Then I go BOTRK if the lane is just too damn hard or Trinity any other time, followed by a bunch of tank items.

Source: I have PAX Jax so i must be god

Wat. Randomly allinning at level 2-3 is straight up death if the enemy jungler took a standard path. Pushing is great but you can't jump on someone for no reason. Using Q at the right time is the most important part about playing jax.
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
July 31 2013 21:37 GMT
#826
On August 01 2013 04:01 Atrioc wrote:
Source: I have PAX Jax so i must be god


Take back everything I said. All hail the mighty Atrioc!

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Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1866 Posts
July 31 2013 22:36 GMT
#827
Sorry I should have been more specific.

Theres a lot of things I think about before I decide when to go all in, its not random unless I'm on tilt vs. a Teemo!

If you are purple side:
- The enemy jungler starts blue, you are safe for a level 3 all-in (assuming you have been pushing)
- The enemy jungler starts red, you WILL be ganked @ 3:00-3:15, if your jungler is stronger you can set up a 2v2 and crush that (with your dblade start and pushing your lane you will be quite formidable), otherwise go "all-in" before that time and be sure to back or be in a safe spot by the time their jungler gets there.

If you are blue side:
- Stand in the top lane tribrush at level 1, if they enemy jungler started red your opponent will walk right through here after leashing and take a stupid amount of damage from you and your dblade start - (make sure the jungler didn't get antsy at that and go straight from red to top lane, most good jungler will not do this but you should always be sure) and then go all-in at level 3, you'll have time.
- If they started blue, that trick likely wont work but you can know to expect a 3:00-3:15 gank and follow the same rules as before.

On August 01 2013 06:37 ReketSomething wrote:
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On August 01 2013 04:01 Atrioc wrote:
Source: I have PAX Jax so i must be god


Take back everything I said. All hail the mighty Atrioc!

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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
July 31 2013 23:34 GMT
#828
On August 01 2013 02:32 ReketSomething wrote:
I read in a high ELO guide a while back that if you have 1200, dont buy sheen (age of trinity) and instead buy 2 dorans pots and wards.

This should be for every champ. If you have just enough to buy your favorite item, then get something else and a few pots and wards because unless you know you're going to get a kill and not need those pots/wards they will likely help more.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
nath
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1788 Posts
July 31 2013 23:50 GMT
#829
On August 01 2013 08:34 obesechicken13 wrote:
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On August 01 2013 02:32 ReketSomething wrote:
I read in a high ELO guide a while back that if you have 1200, dont buy sheen (age of trinity) and instead buy 2 dorans pots and wards.

This should be for every champ. If you have just enough to buy your favorite item, then get something else and a few pots and wards because unless you know you're going to get a kill and not need those pots/wards they will likely help more.

Every champ? what about catalyst (kass, ryze)? usually i have the 1200 around lvl5 or when i go back (since kass laning is a bit hard, with ryze i have more gold usually)...and the catalyst does the job of pots per level...but if i dont have the 75 for a ward is this a bad decision? i feel like if i got crystals + ward i'd have to go back again soon because that catalyst is just so useful for laning and roaming...
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 00:11:06
August 01 2013 00:10 GMT
#830
On August 01 2013 08:50 nath wrote:
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On August 01 2013 08:34 obesechicken13 wrote:
On August 01 2013 02:32 ReketSomething wrote:
I read in a high ELO guide a while back that if you have 1200, dont buy sheen (age of trinity) and instead buy 2 dorans pots and wards.

This should be for every champ. If you have just enough to buy your favorite item, then get something else and a few pots and wards because unless you know you're going to get a kill and not need those pots/wards they will likely help more.

Every champ? what about catalyst (kass, ryze)? usually i have the 1200 around lvl5 or when i go back (since kass laning is a bit hard, with ryze i have more gold usually)...and the catalyst does the job of pots per level...but if i dont have the 75 for a ward is this a bad decision? i feel like if i got crystals + ward i'd have to go back again soon because that catalyst is just so useful for laning and roaming...

Ok, maybe not every. There are definitely matchups where you don't need the potions and catalyst gives pretty decent sustain if you only need a little early on. I was hasty to say this.

Maybe the scenario is specific to double dorans vs sheen.
There are also definitely strong players who rarely get pots past the starting ones. Eg. Sykkuno.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-01 08:26:32
August 01 2013 08:22 GMT
#831
On August 01 2013 02:32 ReketSomething wrote:Anyways, after playing a lot of S2 Jax, getting a Botrk really doesn't feel right. Triforce and maybe Gunblade makes you a 1v1 monster against anyone and is honestly just a lot more fun and feels a lot more correct. The problem is often times in teamfights you get bursted in 1 second and don't do any damage, so Botrk is more popular with tank items.


How many games of Jax did you play to come to the conclusion that "Trifroce and Gunblade... feels a lot more correct?" I feel like anyone who plays enough would come to the opposite conclusion. Gunblade was already super awkward to build before they changed cutlass so it was weaker, post cutlass nerf there's pretty much no reason to go gunblade given how long it takes to build and how much of a dead weight item hextech revolver is for its cost, and this is especially true if you get Triforce first, because the awkward buildup means you're essentially forfeiting a lot of mid-game power for some later payoff that never really comes. BotRK is superior in long fights due to the passive and the attack speed it gives too, there's pretty much no reason to get gunblade, ever.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 01 2013 13:29 GMT
#832
Gunblade hasn't been good on Jax since his remake which was ages ago. The only people that built gunblade on Jax in S2 after his remake were baddies since triforce outclassed so hard.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 01 2013 16:18 GMT
#833
botrk is stronger than gunblade early on. I dont like lifesteal openings on top laners though. at the time i get lifesteal I would rather have a gunblade than a botrk as teh stats on gunblade scale harder if you have some base as some resistances and hp.
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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
August 08 2013 18:42 GMT
#834
So what's the general consensus on Jax right now? Is he a solid pick for top lane?

Also, after getting BotRK and Triforce on Jax does one usually start getting defensive items?

I'm thinking that a *rough* build for Jax is Boots, BotRK, Triforce and 3 Defensive items. Is this right or should I stick to not posting in the League subforum?
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ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 20:35:30
August 08 2013 20:35 GMT
#835
Jax sucks as 1v2 is the general consensus on Jax. As for builds, most players say BotRK is core and Triforce isn't core but you definitely dont want more than BotRK and Triforce in terms of damage. (So if you want both, build tanky after that is correct)

Why would you not post in the League subforum?
Jaedong :3
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 08 2013 22:43 GMT
#836
Triforce is more damage than BotRK and more burst power if the lane/game allows you to build it.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 10 2013 21:02 GMT
#837
If you're playing solo queue he's totally viable, just make sure they pick their top laner first because singed dumps on jax
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-10 21:20:14
August 10 2013 21:15 GMT
#838
On August 11 2013 06:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
If you're playing solo queue he's totally viable, just make sure they pick their top laner first because singed dumps on jax

I actually don't think Singed is that bad. I recently had a game where I just rushed Botrk and lifestealed away. You can't use your Q early and often have to use E to block autos, but the lane is go-evenable.

Elise was probably the toughest lane I've faced top. But this was before they made cowl. I'm not sure how the lane would go now, or if I'd just gotten more magic resist that game.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
BlasiuS
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States2405 Posts
August 24 2013 00:13 GMT
#839
So jax seems to have received a slight buff with the buff to phage/triforce.

Has anyone changed their jax builds?

botrk/triforce/randuin's/visage seems like a great core for jax now, and for each item the buildup items are great for laning (cutlass/phage/warden's/cowl). Gives great damage, lifesteal, tankiness, and excellent chasing.
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Rimak
Profile Joined January 2012
Denmark434 Posts
August 24 2013 09:02 GMT
#840
I find that going bork>triforce is pretty risky and should be done only if snowballing, else I find Jax being too squishy for melee champ.

Since triforce now gives excellent chasing potential I don't really see why not to rush it.

Preferred goto build now is triforce into frozen mallet into zephyr (or wit's end, or atmas(ye Im oldschool)).
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