EPTI still like to build Sheen before Phage if it's a match-up where I won't be able to fight without burning E, or will get my dps lowered (Nasus/Malphite's AS slows, Jayce's E dumb disengage, etc. and probably against ranged champs where I tend to max Q over W anyway).
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I still like to build Sheen before Phage if it's a match-up where I won't be able to fight without burning E, or will get my dps lowered (Nasus/Malphite's AS slows, Jayce's E dumb disengage, etc. and probably against ranged champs where I tend to max Q over W anyway). | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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Atrioc
United States1866 Posts
Then you get back to lane and you are up on items (they shouldntve been able to back yet) and can regain control of the lane / catch up in whatever farm you are down / survive till 6 Then I go BOTRK if the lane is just too damn hard or Trinity any other time, followed by a bunch of tank items. Source: I have PAX Jax so i must be god | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I really like pushing rather hard when I can, if only because people are much less aggressive when they have a tinier creep wave, even by only a few minions, and then you can push their face in, back, come back to lane, and suddenly you're almost level 6, healthy, and you haven't had to deal with excessively obnoxious stuff at early levels because they didn't dare to abuse yours. | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On August 01 2013 04:01 Atrioc wrote: I like starting dblade, push the lane and going all in at level 2-3 - whether it works or not I immediately back and buy a ward + pots while they are pushing the lane back. Then you get back to lane and you are up on items (they shouldntve been able to back yet) and can regain control of the lane / catch up in whatever farm you are down / survive till 6 Then I go BOTRK if the lane is just too damn hard or Trinity any other time, followed by a bunch of tank items. Source: I have PAX Jax so i must be god Wat. Randomly allinning at level 2-3 is straight up death if the enemy jungler took a standard path. Pushing is great but you can't jump on someone for no reason. Using Q at the right time is the most important part about playing jax. | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
On August 01 2013 04:01 Atrioc wrote: Source: I have PAX Jax so i must be god Take back everything I said. All hail the mighty Atrioc! + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Atrioc
United States1866 Posts
Theres a lot of things I think about before I decide when to go all in, its not random unless I'm on tilt vs. a Teemo! If you are purple side: - The enemy jungler starts blue, you are safe for a level 3 all-in (assuming you have been pushing) - The enemy jungler starts red, you WILL be ganked @ 3:00-3:15, if your jungler is stronger you can set up a 2v2 and crush that (with your dblade start and pushing your lane you will be quite formidable), otherwise go "all-in" before that time and be sure to back or be in a safe spot by the time their jungler gets there. If you are blue side: - Stand in the top lane tribrush at level 1, if they enemy jungler started red your opponent will walk right through here after leashing and take a stupid amount of damage from you and your dblade start - (make sure the jungler didn't get antsy at that and go straight from red to top lane, most good jungler will not do this but you should always be sure) and then go all-in at level 3, you'll have time. - If they started blue, that trick likely wont work but you can know to expect a 3:00-3:15 gank and follow the same rules as before. On August 01 2013 06:37 ReketSomething wrote: Take back everything I said. All hail the mighty Atrioc! + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [NEVER FORGET] + ![[image loading]](http://www.kupax.com/files/9469_bggbs/JaedongSep09.jpg) | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 01 2013 02:32 ReketSomething wrote: I read in a high ELO guide a while back that if you have 1200, dont buy sheen (age of trinity) and instead buy 2 dorans pots and wards. This should be for every champ. If you have just enough to buy your favorite item, then get something else and a few pots and wards because unless you know you're going to get a kill and not need those pots/wards they will likely help more. | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:34 obesechicken13 wrote: This should be for every champ. If you have just enough to buy your favorite item, then get something else and a few pots and wards because unless you know you're going to get a kill and not need those pots/wards they will likely help more. Every champ? what about catalyst (kass, ryze)? usually i have the 1200 around lvl5 or when i go back (since kass laning is a bit hard, with ryze i have more gold usually)...and the catalyst does the job of pots per level...but if i dont have the 75 for a ward is this a bad decision? i feel like if i got crystals + ward i'd have to go back again soon because that catalyst is just so useful for laning and roaming... | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 01 2013 08:50 nath wrote: Every champ? what about catalyst (kass, ryze)? usually i have the 1200 around lvl5 or when i go back (since kass laning is a bit hard, with ryze i have more gold usually)...and the catalyst does the job of pots per level...but if i dont have the 75 for a ward is this a bad decision? i feel like if i got crystals + ward i'd have to go back again soon because that catalyst is just so useful for laning and roaming... Ok, maybe not every. There are definitely matchups where you don't need the potions and catalyst gives pretty decent sustain if you only need a little early on. I was hasty to say this. Maybe the scenario is specific to double dorans vs sheen. There are also definitely strong players who rarely get pots past the starting ones. Eg. Sykkuno. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On August 01 2013 02:32 ReketSomething wrote:Anyways, after playing a lot of S2 Jax, getting a Botrk really doesn't feel right. Triforce and maybe Gunblade makes you a 1v1 monster against anyone and is honestly just a lot more fun and feels a lot more correct. The problem is often times in teamfights you get bursted in 1 second and don't do any damage, so Botrk is more popular with tank items. How many games of Jax did you play to come to the conclusion that "Trifroce and Gunblade... feels a lot more correct?" I feel like anyone who plays enough would come to the opposite conclusion. Gunblade was already super awkward to build before they changed cutlass so it was weaker, post cutlass nerf there's pretty much no reason to go gunblade given how long it takes to build and how much of a dead weight item hextech revolver is for its cost, and this is especially true if you get Triforce first, because the awkward buildup means you're essentially forfeiting a lot of mid-game power for some later payoff that never really comes. BotRK is superior in long fights due to the passive and the attack speed it gives too, there's pretty much no reason to get gunblade, ever. | ||
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koreasilver
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
Also, after getting BotRK and Triforce on Jax does one usually start getting defensive items? I'm thinking that a *rough* build for Jax is Boots, BotRK, Triforce and 3 Defensive items. Is this right or should I stick to not posting in the League subforum? | ||
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
Why would you not post in the League subforum? | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
On August 11 2013 06:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: If you're playing solo queue he's totally viable, just make sure they pick their top laner first because singed dumps on jax I actually don't think Singed is that bad. I recently had a game where I just rushed Botrk and lifestealed away. You can't use your Q early and often have to use E to block autos, but the lane is go-evenable. Elise was probably the toughest lane I've faced top. But this was before they made cowl. I'm not sure how the lane would go now, or if I'd just gotten more magic resist that game. | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
Has anyone changed their jax builds? botrk/triforce/randuin's/visage seems like a great core for jax now, and for each item the buildup items are great for laning (cutlass/phage/warden's/cowl). Gives great damage, lifesteal, tankiness, and excellent chasing. | ||
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Rimak
Denmark434 Posts
Since triforce now gives excellent chasing potential I don't really see why not to rush it. Preferred goto build now is triforce into frozen mallet into zephyr (or wit's end, or atmas(ye Im oldschool)). | ||
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