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On July 12 2011 02:44 Mogwai wrote:
well, nm, I thought more characters had scaling mres. rammus not having scaling mres is also blowing my mind. other tanks who don't have it are nunu, cho, galio, and maokai, but they're all hybrid-mages, so I always kinda just got over it, but since rammus also doesn't have mres scaling I'm over it for Leona as well, but I still find their rules for that shit absolutely baffling.
The scaling mres was introduced fairly early in beta on non-tank melee dps characters. It seems to have accidently (and erratically) flowed out onto some tanky "dps" characters like nasus, irelia, warwick, etc
Most "tanks" don't have it.
Alistar, Singed, amumu, gragas, taric, shen, sion, and poppy also dont have scaling mr/level.
I'm pretty sure anything that was not designed as a melee physical dps does not have the mres/level (so all the melee mages like nunu, galio, sion, gragas dont get it).
Oddly enough, Malphite actually does have it even though he is more or less the least physical dps of almost any melee champion.
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yea, like, malphite and singed have it, as do garen and jarman and I'm just really seeing the lines blurring way too much here between what's a tank and what's a tanky dps or whatever.
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On July 12 2011 02:59 Mogwai wrote:
yea, like, malphite and singed have it, as do garen and jarman and I'm just really seeing the lines blurring way too much here between what's a tank and what's a tanky dps or whatever.
I thought singed doesn't have it...
I think any melee with heavy atk damage scaling spells get it because they usually require you to get close and attack people.
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hmm, apparently he doesn't. well, w/e, Leona looks like she's supposed to dive in their with her shit (melee stun, dash, and AoE shield blow up) and I figured she was akin to Jarman in this sense and thus would get it, but I guess she's not worthy.
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On July 12 2011 03:04 Mogwai wrote:
hmm, apparently he doesn't. well, w/e, Leona looks like she's supposed to dive in their with her shit (melee stun, dash, and AoE shield blow up) and I figured she was akin to Jarman in this sense and thus would get it, but I guess she's not worthy.
I said i'm pretty sure its because she has entirely AP scaling and none of the melee characters with heavy ap scaling gained the MR/level
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wait, even her Q scales on AP? dafuck? ok then... so we have basically entirely melee with AP scaling on a tank... gl with that shit, can't imagine she'll be able to build AP at all since it looks like her returns from it won't be able to compensate for the fact that she'll just explode (as opposed to you know... every other tank who scales with AP and then has long range pokes.)
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On July 12 2011 03:12 Mogwai wrote:
wait, even her Q scales on AP? dafuck? ok then... so we have basically entirely melee with AP scaling on a tank... gl with that shit, can't imagine she'll be able to build AP at all since it looks like her returns from it won't be able to compensate for the fact that she'll just explode (as opposed to you know... every other tank who scales with AP and then has long range pokes.)
She gets like 70 armor and mr for free. Slap a rylais on her, maybe abyssal, profit.
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On July 12 2011 03:12 Mogwai wrote:
wait, even her Q scales on AP? dafuck? ok then... so we have basically entirely melee with AP scaling on a tank... gl with that shit, can't imagine she'll be able to build AP at all since it looks like her returns from it won't be able to compensate for the fact that she'll just explode (as opposed to you know... every other tank who scales with AP and then has long range pokes.)
Her ap scaling isnt terrible for a team fight, she has 2 aoe skills with 0.4 ratio, her ult is 0.8, and her Q is 0.3
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On July 12 2011 03:12 Mogwai wrote:
wait, even her Q scales on AP? dafuck? ok then... so we have basically entirely melee with AP scaling on a tank... gl with that shit, can't imagine she'll be able to build AP at all since it looks like her returns from it won't be able to compensate for the fact that she'll just explode (as opposed to you know... every other tank who scales with AP and then has long range pokes.)
She has mini-defensive ball curl, so I'd basically just run her the same way I run Amumu, armor runes, rush Abyssal, profit.
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On July 12 2011 03:27 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2011 03:12 Mogwai wrote:
wait, even her Q scales on AP? dafuck? ok then... so we have basically entirely melee with AP scaling on a tank... gl with that shit, can't imagine she'll be able to build AP at all since it looks like her returns from it won't be able to compensate for the fact that she'll just explode (as opposed to you know... every other tank who scales with AP and then has long range pokes.) She gets like 70 armor and mr for free. Slap a rylais on her, maybe abyssal, profit.
I'm not sure rylai is what you're looking for considering the majority of her spells comes with cc to begin with, so rylai isn't even doing anything.
CDR-tank build seems to make the most sense to me
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I just want that giants belt yo~
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I think it's a shame that neither of the two Kindlegem build paths are really good for her, seeing as the stats on Kindlegem are exactly what she wants.
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Nah, shurelias is going to be awesome on her
Can't believe more people dont buy that item it's fucking insane
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Shurelias speed boost -> jump to enemy -> stun to initiate would be a great way to initiate a fight. Similar to amumu doing it with bandage toss, but more reliable.
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On July 12 2011 03:52 gtrsrs wrote:
Nah, shurelias is going to be awesome on her
Can't believe more people dont buy that item it's fucking insane
Why do I always forget that Kindlegem builds to Shurelya's now? Always remember Visage/Shroud but forget about Shurelya's.
And yeah, I agree. Especially since her mana costs and lack of natural HP sustain makes Philo something she'd want to buy for laning.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
damnit, get into the store Leona!
buying this champ as soon as she's available, i will become the master
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shurelias is the most underrated item in the game, it's good on every single non-carry champ, be it a tank, jungler, or support. i even get it on some carries situationally. it's really really really fking strong on champs that scale well off HP (trundle, mumu, rammus, malphite, jarvan), and it's got a game-changing active that's available like every 45 seconds. stupid strong, i get it on tons of champs, i can't believe it hasn't caught on yet. and yeah with leona's W it's going to give her a ton of sustainability and the active is perfect for engaging with her ult to ensure her teammates can catch up to proc her passive
On July 12 2011 07:48 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
buying this champ as soon as she's available, i will become the master
i will beat you to it, steve!
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Very disappointed by her low ratios, smells like Yorick on release (underpowered as shit).
Also, her base hp at 18 is pretty low for a tank too :/
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On July 13 2011 10:23 KinosJourney2 wrote:
Very disappointed by her low ratios, smells like Yorick on release (underpowered as shit).
Also, her base hp at 18 is pretty low for a tank too :/
I dont get it how ppl still talk about her scalings and try to measure her from that point of view.
her scalings are bad.
she provides a shitton of utility/tankiness and nonscaling damage through her passive. you wont carry shit with her and thats 100% fine. there are only a few support tanks so far so she is a very nice addition overall.
I can imagine that she will be picked bottom with a carry to shut down the other lane (instead of just sustaining the own) just like you would with taric/alistar but with more umph and less sustain. the trick would be to get sth like mf/vayne with her or any carry that can provide good early game dps.
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On July 13 2011 19:38 clickrush wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 10:23 KinosJourney2 wrote:
Very disappointed by her low ratios, smells like Yorick on release (underpowered as shit).
Also, her base hp at 18 is pretty low for a tank too :/ I dont get it how ppl still talk about her scalings and try to measure her from that point of view. her scalings are bad. she provides a shitton of utility/tankiness and nonscaling damage through her passive. you wont carry shit with her and thats 100% fine. there are only a few support tanks so far so she is a very nice addition overall. I can imagine that she will be picked bottom with a carry to shut down the other lane (instead of just sustaining the own) just like you would with taric/alistar but with more umph and less sustain. the trick would be to get sth like mf/vayne with her or any carry that can provide good early game dps.
A low cooldown stun doesn't really seem to be worth much compared to a low cooldown knock-up like Blitz has. The knockup is unaffected by tenacity.
Utility just doesn't win games. If that was the case then everyone would be running Blitz in every game. Knock-up, stun/grab, AoE silence?
Compared to Blitz her single stun seems like a bit of a joke.
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