EPT[Champion] Fiddlesticks - Page 5
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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HardCorey
United States709 Posts
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HardCorey
United States709 Posts
On March 27 2012 19:38 R04R wrote: Fiddle farms way too slow without some AP in the jungle. If you try and transition to tank after some initial AP you won't be tanky enough and you won't deal enough damage. Might as well do something like Hourglass Abyssal Frozen Heart Thats why you 3 dorans first + boots. On March 27 2012 19:36 jaybrundage wrote: But fiddle is a terrible farmer regardless. If you build him ap or not. If you were laning you would be auto attacking for last hits. And if your jungling i know i max Q first for the cc. So the lack of ap wouldn't hurt me much anyway. But I do see where you are coming from. The other think I was thinking about was that fiddles health pool is pretty low. But you can always buy health so not a big deal. Thanks for you insight sob3k :D Dont max Q first. you need 2-3 levels in W and E before going past 1 Q. Oh man, why Q first? | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
Too bad because the champ rocks and adds a lot of flavor to the game. I ran my own special build and everyone called me a retard but I carried hard from the jungle quite often so I think it was great. Run speed, cdr and mPen runes, open ring into boots, do lvl 6 guaranteed kill from wraiths or some other unfamiliar ganking location using flash+ult, get haunting guise and boots of mobility. With mobility and max Q you can chase down and fear any champ in the game whenever there is a chance and if at least one of your team is near it's a guaranteed kill. Then go for Zhonya as first core item for tower dive ults and finish with rabadon and scepter, with some tanky variations using Rylai or heart if you really need them. Zhonya and Rhabadon is enough firepower to maul most teams with a well placed ult so when you have around 40 mpen from runes and stuff you can basically buy whatever you want. Just don't ever buy revolver. Try this build, you will be surprised by the amount of fun it offers until you get bored of mid flame / rage / trolling over blue and realize you're not viable without. Fiddle needs some kind of energy mechanic or a mana regen attached to his drain and he's all good for competitive play. I hope Riot does something with him sometime, he'd be an amazingly spectator friendly champ for sure. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Friend of mine had the suggestion of making his Qs have a chance to crit neutral minions similar to Master Yi's. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On March 28 2012 06:17 Cloud9157 wrote: They need to fix this guy so bad. New jungle destroyed him. Friend of mine had the suggestion of making his Qs have a chance to crit neutral minions similar to Master Yi's. You mean his E? I think he's fine, they've just released a lot more aggressive junglers. His level 4 gank is still pretty good, and the ultimate is pretty good against teams that don't ward. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
Fiddlesticks is the hero with the largest discrepancy between ease of play and ease of countering. He's extremely easy to play in such a way that people inexperienced in dealing with him would just flat out die. That's not to say he's a low skillcap hero or that he's extremely easy to play at a high level, which is not the case. What I'm saying is that if you get a noob fiddle who only knows how to walk up to someone and fear/drain, and someone who basically knows their skills but is still not very good at the game on any other champ, fiddle will almost always crush them. You have to be intimately familiar with fiddle's skills, positioning, and be able to visualize exactly how much drain does in order to effectively kill/lane against him, whereas fiddle only needs to know how to q/w to beat people who are even slightly over his skill level. It's like a button mash character in a fighting game, people who know basic combos and how to generally play their character will get STOMPED by certain characters, even when the person is just mashing buttons, but a pro will beat anyone any time. | ||
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Kickboxer
Slovenia1308 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On March 28 2012 06:29 Sabin010 wrote: You mean his E? I think he's fine, they've just released a lot more aggressive junglers. His level 4 gank is still pretty good, and the ultimate is pretty good against teams that don't ward. Yeah, his bouncy crows, not fear. His clear time just seems so awful. That, and he is ridiculously blue dependent, so blue invades especially hurt him. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
That being said, I can't say I miss the days of CAWCAWCAWCAWCAWPENTAKILL. That shit was annoying. | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
 On March 28 2012 08:26 Ryuu314 wrote: Fiddle is just awful now. His clear time is ridiculously slow and equally ridiculously blue dependent. Laning fiddle is pretty crappy against players who know what to do because he can't clear waves for shit and if you max E for lane clearing power you do very unreliable damage. Not to mention champs with any form of interrupt can shut down his ability to 1v1 unless he has sufficient cdr. That being said, I can't say I miss the days of CAWCAWCAWCAWCAWPENTAKILL. That shit was annoying. Hah! It's easily one of the scariest noises in the game. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On March 28 2012 08:26 Ryuu314 wrote: Fiddle is just awful now. His clear time is ridiculously slow and equally ridiculously blue dependent. Laning fiddle is pretty crappy against players who know what to do because he can't clear waves for shit and if you max E for lane clearing power you do very unreliable damage. Not to mention champs with any form of interrupt can shut down his ability to 1v1 unless he has sufficient cdr. That being said, I can't say I miss the days of CAWCAWCAWCAWCAWPENTAKILL. That shit was annoying. I dunno. Imo it the best designed ulti in the game. Very powerful, very fun to use, you can counter it... if you dont counter it you can still avoid it. They need to fix him somehow though. I dunno... He can't lane or jungle, he just... kinda useless. I dunno, he need major redesign because I want play him aside from like level 5 games on smurfs. | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
If you have no interrupts I don't think it's possible to duel fiddlesticks (no all in on ignite). | ||
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unnar
Iceland211 Posts
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epoc
Finland1190 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On April 03 2012 22:56 Alaric wrote: Because it's a crow storm, and crows caw. storm crows. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mvGQk.jpg) They caw. | ||
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Strykemard
168 Posts
On April 03 2012 21:36 obesechicken13 wrote: He's probably still fine as a top laner when counterpicking guys with no interrupts like olaf :/ If you have no interrupts I don't think it's possible to duel fiddlesticks (no all in on ignite). I really doubt Fid can 1v1 olaf and win. Olaf while he has no cc is probably one of the strongest dualists in the game. He might run out of your life steal and back in or just tank it and break you. | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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