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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 15:56:16
March 27 2012 10:52 GMT
#81
Comon no one else wants to comment on tank fid XD
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 18:34:00
March 27 2012 18:33 GMT
#82
Fiddle is by far my best jungler. Best ganks in the game imo. Theres tons of really cool places to ult from. From inside of wraiths to under the tower is one of my favorite spots. Down from above baron ult can be dirty as well, or really from any bush into lane. Quite a good champ
Don't Worry, Be Happy.
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 18:38:16
March 27 2012 18:35 GMT
#83
On March 27 2012 19:38 R04R wrote:
Fiddle farms way too slow without some AP in the jungle. If you try and transition to tank after some initial AP you won't be tanky enough and you won't deal enough damage. Might as well do something like Hourglass Abyssal Frozen Heart


Thats why you 3 dorans first + boots.


On March 27 2012 19:36 jaybrundage wrote:
But fiddle is a terrible farmer regardless. If you build him ap or not. If you were laning you would be auto attacking for last hits.

And if your jungling i know i max Q first for the cc. So the lack of ap wouldn't hurt me much anyway.

But I do see where you are coming from. The other think I was thinking about was that fiddles health pool is pretty low. But you can always buy health so not a big deal. Thanks for you insight sob3k :D



Dont max Q first. you need 2-3 levels in W and E before going past 1 Q. Oh man, why Q first?
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RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
March 27 2012 20:51 GMT
#84
Q is an insane disable, it is what makes fiddle a good ganker, against ppl without tenacity it is really huge. I always max it after W just keeping one point in E.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
March 27 2012 21:13 GMT
#85
I mained Fiddle around 1600-1700 when I still played LoL. He is one of the most fun characters in the game and his kit is fucking awesome, but becomes altogether nonviable in higher skill games because 1. you absolutely need at least the first three blues to keep up with even the slowest of melee junglers and your mid will emodestroy himself or ragequit when you try to explain that. 2. even with blue his clear speed is pretty slow and if you lose blue you are basically fucked so counterjungling is a huge risk.

Too bad because the champ rocks and adds a lot of flavor to the game.

I ran my own special build and everyone called me a retard but I carried hard from the jungle quite often so I think it was great. Run speed, cdr and mPen runes, open ring into boots, do lvl 6 guaranteed kill from wraiths or some other unfamiliar ganking location using flash+ult, get haunting guise and boots of mobility. With mobility and max Q you can chase down and fear any champ in the game whenever there is a chance and if at least one of your team is near it's a guaranteed kill.

Then go for Zhonya as first core item for tower dive ults and finish with rabadon and scepter, with some tanky variations using Rylai or heart if you really need them. Zhonya and Rhabadon is enough firepower to maul most teams with a well placed ult so when you have around 40 mpen from runes and stuff you can basically buy whatever you want. Just don't ever buy revolver.

Try this build, you will be surprised by the amount of fun it offers until you get bored of mid flame / rage / trolling over blue and realize you're not viable without. Fiddle needs some kind of energy mechanic or a mana regen attached to his drain and he's all good for competitive play. I hope Riot does something with him sometime, he'd be an amazingly spectator friendly champ for sure.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 27 2012 21:17 GMT
#86
They need to fix this guy so bad. New jungle destroyed him.

Friend of mine had the suggestion of making his Qs have a chance to crit neutral minions similar to Master Yi's.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Sabin010
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1892 Posts
March 27 2012 21:29 GMT
#87
On March 28 2012 06:17 Cloud9157 wrote:
They need to fix this guy so bad. New jungle destroyed him.

Friend of mine had the suggestion of making his Qs have a chance to crit neutral minions similar to Master Yi's.


You mean his E? I think he's fine, they've just released a lot more aggressive junglers. His level 4 gank is still pretty good, and the ultimate is pretty good against teams that don't ward.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 21:56:45
March 27 2012 21:54 GMT
#88
I want to ask if this is a fair statement:

Fiddlesticks is the hero with the largest discrepancy between ease of play and ease of countering.

He's extremely easy to play in such a way that people inexperienced in dealing with him would just flat out die.

That's not to say he's a low skillcap hero or that he's extremely easy to play at a high level, which is not the case. What I'm saying is that if you get a noob fiddle who only knows how to walk up to someone and fear/drain, and someone who basically knows their skills but is still not very good at the game on any other champ, fiddle will almost always crush them.

You have to be intimately familiar with fiddle's skills, positioning, and be able to visualize exactly how much drain does in order to effectively kill/lane against him, whereas fiddle only needs to know how to q/w to beat people who are even slightly over his skill level.

It's like a button mash character in a fighting game, people who know basic combos and how to generally play their character will get STOMPED by certain characters, even when the person is just mashing buttons, but a pro will beat anyone any time.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
March 27 2012 22:12 GMT
#89
Lane Fiddle doesn't exist :p he can't farm to save his life and if you max E the loss of either one of your champ-defining abilities is debilitating. So I don't know what to even do with your statement. Also, most champs in the game have an interrupt.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
March 27 2012 22:28 GMT
#90
On March 28 2012 06:29 Sabin010 wrote:
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On March 28 2012 06:17 Cloud9157 wrote:
They need to fix this guy so bad. New jungle destroyed him.

Friend of mine had the suggestion of making his Qs have a chance to crit neutral minions similar to Master Yi's.


You mean his E? I think he's fine, they've just released a lot more aggressive junglers. His level 4 gank is still pretty good, and the ultimate is pretty good against teams that don't ward.


Yeah, his bouncy crows, not fear.

His clear time just seems so awful. That, and he is ridiculously blue dependent, so blue invades especially hurt him.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
March 27 2012 23:26 GMT
#91
Fiddle is just awful now. His clear time is ridiculously slow and equally ridiculously blue dependent. Laning fiddle is pretty crappy against players who know what to do because he can't clear waves for shit and if you max E for lane clearing power you do very unreliable damage. Not to mention champs with any form of interrupt can shut down his ability to 1v1 unless he has sufficient cdr.

That being said, I can't say I miss the days of CAWCAWCAWCAWCAWPENTAKILL. That shit was annoying.
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
April 03 2012 08:54 GMT
#92
I had been looking for someone to learn jungling with, when suddenly I realized that poor Fiddlesticks was the first character I ever bought. Had tons of fun with him tonight and won every game (obviously 100% my doing...), but I had a LOT of trouble ganking before level 6.

On March 28 2012 08:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Fiddle is just awful now. His clear time is ridiculously slow and equally ridiculously blue dependent. Laning fiddle is pretty crappy against players who know what to do because he can't clear waves for shit and if you max E for lane clearing power you do very unreliable damage. Not to mention champs with any form of interrupt can shut down his ability to 1v1 unless he has sufficient cdr.

That being said, I can't say I miss the days of CAWCAWCAWCAWCAWPENTAKILL. That shit was annoying.


Hah! It's easily one of the scariest noises in the game.
Stay positive!
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
April 03 2012 12:31 GMT
#93
On March 28 2012 08:26 Ryuu314 wrote:
Fiddle is just awful now. His clear time is ridiculously slow and equally ridiculously blue dependent. Laning fiddle is pretty crappy against players who know what to do because he can't clear waves for shit and if you max E for lane clearing power you do very unreliable damage. Not to mention champs with any form of interrupt can shut down his ability to 1v1 unless he has sufficient cdr.

That being said, I can't say I miss the days of CAWCAWCAWCAWCAWPENTAKILL. That shit was annoying.


I dunno.

Imo it the best designed ulti in the game. Very powerful, very fun to use, you can counter it... if you dont counter it you can still avoid it.

They need to fix him somehow though. I dunno... He can't lane or jungle, he just... kinda useless.

I dunno, he need major redesign because I want play him aside from like level 5 games on smurfs.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 03 2012 12:36 GMT
#94
He's probably still fine as a top laner when counterpicking guys with no interrupts like olaf :/
If you have no interrupts I don't think it's possible to duel fiddlesticks (no all in on ignite).
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unnar
Profile Joined April 2011
Iceland211 Posts
April 03 2012 13:39 GMT
#95
If they made his w do aoe dmg jungle creeps so his speed so people can play him again
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
April 03 2012 13:47 GMT
#96
I don't understand the "cawcawcaw" I mean it doesnt even nearly sound like that. Thats like saying fiddle ult sounds like "zekekokolipa"
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
April 03 2012 13:56 GMT
#97
Because it's a crow storm, and crows caw.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
April 03 2012 14:00 GMT
#98
On April 03 2012 22:56 Alaric wrote:
Because it's a crow storm, and crows caw.


storm crows.
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They caw.
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Strykemard
Profile Joined April 2012
168 Posts
April 12 2012 04:36 GMT
#99
On April 03 2012 21:36 obesechicken13 wrote:
He's probably still fine as a top laner when counterpicking guys with no interrupts like olaf :/
If you have no interrupts I don't think it's possible to duel fiddlesticks (no all in on ignite).


I really doubt Fid can 1v1 olaf and win. Olaf while he has no cc is probably one of the strongest dualists in the game. He might run out of your life steal and back in or just tank it and break you.
IMHope
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)1241 Posts
April 24 2012 20:33 GMT
#100
I think fiddlesticks is a bit underrated. I've been using him and going mid and have been having a lot of success. It's really easy to gank either top or bottom lane once you have your special and fear plus life steal manages to kill so many champions. You do have to get kills early game because if you don't then you will be weak in the late game.
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