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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
November 08 2011 22:35 GMT
#61
o.o i just started jungling fid... soooo easy lawl... pop out of bush -> death basically -.-

idk I dont like starting with amp tome cuz it doesnt really build into anything but does anyone know what i should build first? i go like tome -> boots -> roa -> sorc boots -> zhonya -> rabadon -> whatever
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 08 2011 22:40 GMT
#62
so this is something i should surely know but when you use an ult like fiddle's and then use zhonyas does the ult keep going?
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
November 08 2011 22:43 GMT
#63
On November 09 2011 07:40 travis wrote:
so this is something i should surely know but when you use an ult like fiddle's and then use zhonyas does the ult keep going?


Yup, all non channel aoe ults allow you to pop zhonyas and still do their damage. ( I know he channels to begin it, specifically talking about once the CAWCAWCAWCAWCAW begins)
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 23:22:16
November 08 2011 22:57 GMT
#64
How reliant on blue is fiddle for his initial jungling? He's someone I've been a bit reluctant to try out because of how different he is from the junglers I usually play, not to mention I don't have runes for AP champs. But if you are up against a jungler that can counter jungle easily, then what should you do? Whenever I'm up against a fiddle as Udyr and they are doing the standard big wolf -> blue then I always shit all over them because I can always steal their wraiths and one small golem. Against such picks should you just simply not pick fiddle?

On the other hand, are there times where picking fiddle is flat out good? What kind of environment does fiddle thrive in?
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
November 08 2011 23:03 GMT
#65
he's not reliant on blue, you can still keep up with the enemy jungler in levels but you wont be able to gank if they grab your blue level 1. he's really hard to counterjungle since he just stays full hp the whole time so I never really care if people take my wraiths or shit, chances are im just gonna have my support cv your wraiths anyway so ill be able to tell where you went. then i can simply go to your wraiths after blue and etc. so yea.

anyways bottom line is he is one of the best gankers in the game and amazing in solo q, not as good in arranged play since usually your mage needs blue
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 08 2011 23:18 GMT
#66
Are there any particular progames with a fiddle jungler? I remember seeing on in a tournament game a long time ago when I first started playing but I can't remember what game it was for my life.
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
February 19 2012 14:09 GMT
#67
Yeah I'm loving this guy. I just recently bought him and I don't regret it. His ulti can change the game and I just got a penta kill with it.
Terrify and Drain are good too, dark wind is good for farming.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
February 19 2012 14:11 GMT
#68
I agree expect that id say drain is good for farming and dark wind is a killer in teamfights. Silence + Terrify is is a useless ap carry.
llKenZyll
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States853 Posts
February 19 2012 15:11 GMT
#69
On February 19 2012 23:11 Yuljan wrote:
I agree expect that id say drain is good for farming and dark wind is a killer in teamfights. Silence + Terrify is is a useless ap carry.

Dark wind is good for killing minions early on, for easy gold. If you use your ulti, terrify and drain, its pretty much guaranteed death for the other guy.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/nd6nd/tang_in_his_natural_habitat/
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15846 Posts
February 23 2012 21:13 GMT
#70
I just had a game where i was AFK during selection pick and i was last pick, I had to support. I randomed fiddle, so I picked my poppy page with full armor + magic pen red and classic 9 0 21 support masteries. It was really surprising powerful. I was with mf bot vs vayne + taric. I lvl E 1st and just cast it on em when they were only 2 so vayne was really hurt. Then for pure CC max Q 1st obviously and then E (reduce cd) just taking W at lvl 4 to heal if needed. I just did the ward bitch with gp5/aegis/shurelya. Once you reach 6 they have to ward both bushes and the 3 sec fear is just HUGE!
Ok it was around 1400 elo but I may try it again.
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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 21:39:20
February 23 2012 21:38 GMT
#71
I'm more interested in the possibility of lane fiddle. You hear pros on CLG NA at least talking about how Fiddle is a good counter to Vladmir since his drain works through his pool. Wondering how lane fiddle would be played and what other champs he would be good against. Seems a great lane to gank off too since fear and ultimate are already strong.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 23 2012 23:59 GMT
#72
Not a fan of Lane Fiddle. If vs Vlad is a key point, why not just go Swain?
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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
February 24 2012 00:18 GMT
#73
yo i got stomped by support fiddle ... me (sona) + vayne do shit because fear -> drain -> enemy trist jumps in -> dark wind = one of us died... warded bush and stuff, but that fids zone much stronk... also got a kill from our mid after 6 cawcawcaw
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
ultimatenewb
Profile Joined January 2012
19 Posts
February 25 2012 01:59 GMT
#74
Fiddle can get stomped so easily... too dependent on poor teamwork of opposing team...
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 09:57:23
March 27 2012 09:57 GMT
#75
Ok so I play jungle fiddle for the most part. He can get counter jungled easily which sucks and people like to invade fid's blue.

I had a question regarding playstyle and build. I know the most used build on fiddle is going AP.

But with the current meta jungler's are usually tanky. And if you pick fiddlestix jungle then it can leave your top lane having to tank all the damage. So what I think could be viable is Tank fiddle focusing on CDR.

So like Frozen Heart, Abyssal, Warmogs or Rylias, Shurylias, Randiuns,FON, Im just naming some good tank items off the top of my head.

But with fiddles crazy CC heavy kit doesn't anyone else think he can be played tanky. With a 3 second fear, an aoe silence, A sick initiation ult, He seems like someone with the potential to disrupt so much that people would wanna focus him. Which is great because you would be the tank XD.

I have personally used a build like this once before and it did well. But I would like people's thoughts. What do you guys think viable or not?
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bokeevboke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Singapore1674 Posts
March 27 2012 10:12 GMT
#76
On March 27 2012 18:57 jaybrundage wrote:
But with fiddles crazy CC heavy kit doesn't anyone else think he can be played tanky. With a 3 second fear, an aoe silence, A sick initiation ult, He seems like someone with the potential to disrupt so much that people would wanna focus him. Which is great because you would be the tank XD.


Experimenting is fun, but you should pick a real tank if you want a tank.
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 10:27:31
March 27 2012 10:25 GMT
#77
Thats the thing tho. WW was a "Jungler" till people started playing him top lane and then he got nerfed.

You don't think a 3 second fear on a short cd about 8 with max cdr, 8 second aoe silence. Constantly draining your health because its always up with max cdr.

With the fear cd you can fear someone for three seconds and in 5 seconds you can fear another person for 3 seconds

And his base ult lvl 16 with out ap does 1650 damage for all the five seconds.

This sounds almost like a tank kit XD. Thinking about the drain more. You get free hp and if you tanky its hard to stop you from just healing up. They would be forced to waste more cc on you.

Whos to say that fiddle can't be played as a "real tank"
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-27 10:30:59
March 27 2012 10:29 GMT
#78
On March 27 2012 19:12 bokeevboke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 18:57 jaybrundage wrote:
But with fiddles crazy CC heavy kit doesn't anyone else think he can be played tanky. With a 3 second fear, an aoe silence, A sick initiation ult, He seems like someone with the potential to disrupt so much that people would wanna focus him. Which is great because you would be the tank XD.


Experimenting is fun, but you should pick a real tank if you want a tank.


Theres really no reason fiddle wouldnt be a great tank except the fact that his laning and jungling as already abominably slow and crappy, and if you built him with tank shit he would hit 6 about 20 minutes into the game .

Fiddle has a great kit for a theoretical tank:

MR reduction aura
Damage skill with high base damage that heals him
Massive CC
multitarget silence
Huge AOE damage with blink that he can walk around during

The problem is that you will never get him to that point in a real game where you have to farm and shit.
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
March 27 2012 10:36 GMT
#79
But fiddle is a terrible farmer regardless. If you build him ap or not. If you were laning you would be auto attacking for last hits.

And if your jungling i know i max Q first for the cc. So the lack of ap wouldn't hurt me much anyway.

But I do see where you are coming from. The other think I was thinking about was that fiddles health pool is pretty low. But you can always buy health so not a big deal. Thanks for you insight sob3k :D
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
March 27 2012 10:38 GMT
#80
Fiddle farms way too slow without some AP in the jungle. If you try and transition to tank after some initial AP you won't be tanky enough and you won't deal enough damage. Might as well do something like Hourglass Abyssal Frozen Heart
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