Fiddle jungle Coast style.

A thing, or just something they hoped would throw people off?

I feel like it was not that great, and fell behind like all the Maokais ive seen lately.

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

June 16 2013 04:10 GMT

#103

Yeah, although I am generally a nintendudex fan, I wasn't impressed.
I mean I do understand the idea behind it, a tank with 3sec fear on a short cooldown, but it seemed to not work out because of several factors.
First, as the primary tank on the team, he couldn't properly position to use his ult. That made his damage really pathetic.
Secondly, because he bought no damage and Fiddle doesn't have much AoE, he farmed painfully slowly. He was low on items the whole game as a result which led to..
Third, not actually being tanky. His only innate tank skill is drain (somewhat) but with no AP it heals pathetically little. That combined with being almost unavoidably a level behind enemy jungler leads to him just exploding despite building pure tank.

Don't get me wrong, I think fiddlesticks is legit, but not as tank fiddle. AP fiddle from the jungle is perfectly unique with no one else coming even close to his niche (unless AP jungle gragas turns out to be a thing). But there are a lot of better tanks out there.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

June 16 2013 22:14 GMT

#104

Seems really stupid to me. Basically you're a walking fear with an extremely weak ult. I don't even really get the point, considering Zhonya's makes you plenty tanky and gives you AP too, along with the active. Even if you're slightly tankier, without the Zhonya's active you're just begging for the enemy team to focus you (it's not like your damage is a large enough threat to instill real fear either).

SoulSever

Canada779 Posts

June 17 2013 01:49 GMT

#105

I feel like zhonya's is really core on fiddles, no matter the situation. Also, I would think Spectral wraith over ancient golem in most scenarios. Lots of room to explore tank fiddles out of the jungle but more likely support fiddles is the better role for him if you're looking for a fear bot for your ad carry (how often did nintendude get fears on opposing adc's?)

iCanada

Canada10660 Posts

June 17 2013 06:27 GMT

#106

On June 17 2013 10:49 SoulSever wrote:
I feel like zhonya's is really core on fiddles, no matter the situation. Also, I would think Spectral wraith over ancient golem in most scenarios. Lots of room to explore tank fiddles out of the jungle but more likely support fiddles is the better role for him if you're looking for a fear bot for your ad carry (how often did nintendude get fears on opposing adc's?)

I dunno, even if you looking to "Tank fiddle" I feel like just getting high resistances a lot stronger than building HP. Fiddles drain is huge with HP. I dunno something like Zhonya's-Abyssal-Aegis would probabbly have made nintendude much tankier.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

June 24 2013 05:53 GMT

#107

Well, I saw someone do the tanky no Zhonya's Fiddle. He went mobos/ancient golem/bulwark/abyssal's/frozen heart (didn't quite finish it). We won, but I don't feel like it's because of the Fiddlesticks (if anything, in spite of it). He couldn't fear the highest priority target, he did almost no damage, and there wasn't any significant benefit from building like that early either.

At the end of the day, it was maybe 100 extra armor and ~1000 health. It feels like you're just stacking defensive stats that are largely irrelevant when Zhonya's is all you need.

Amarok

Australia2003 Posts

June 24 2013 06:22 GMT

#108

I've seen Tanksticks a few times out of the jungle and it seems to get a lot stronger when/if they get Spirit Visage. Locket, Golem and SV puts you at 40% CDR and all 3 items are pretty cheap. Bulwark obviously needs to be there but once you get SV your drain amount goes up significantly and you have only a few seconds downtime on your fear, as well as next to no downtime on your drain.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

June 24 2013 07:07 GMT

#109

If you really just wanted to max cdr, why not just get morellos/spirit visage?

Sponkz

Denmark4564 Posts

June 24 2013 12:00 GMT

#110

Or why get additional CDR from items at all? Most of the time when i see fiddle, the team comp is heavily based around fiddlesticks getting every single blue buff possible, allowing him to reach near 40% CDR with heavy utility spec. I don't see why you'd want to build tank on a champion that has one of the most deadly aoe engages in the game. His scaling is pretty sick too.

oZe

Sweden492 Posts

July 01 2013 06:47 GMT

#111

Fiddle is my first played, first bought & most played hero. Back when I was a total noob I played him in the middle, all noobs like to go mid ^^

Now I only jungle him. I start dorans + ward, you can go amp tome but I feel you get to squishy. Then I rush zhonyas getting boots along the way. After zhonyas you are a baws. Can ult onto turrets or into entire enemy team and put your hands in the air like you just don't care ^^

Then I get sorcerer shoes & death cap. Filling out with 3 of these items depending on how it goes and what other team does. Rylias, liandrys, abyssal, death fire grasp. You can get parts before death cap is complete I especially like getting that 820 gold part of DFG with cooldown reduction early.

Pre6 I show up in lanes and wind,fear & drain to burn a flash or get a kill. Post6 one ult 1+ kill. I always take smite & flash.
You can reposition your ult so well with flash & smite is good for steals.

When team fighting begins I am almost never visible to enemy team until crows start flying. In games where my allies have a clue I usually go like ~10 ~2 ~10. One death being zhonyas on their spawn ran out before my team killed nexus ^^

It's good to buy a pink if you have change left over when you shop so you can deward for ganks or just to increase the fear factor. The time you don't waste waiting for a gank that will never happen and the extra kills make a good return on investment.

I take drain first, then wind, then fear. After that I max ult,drain,fear & wind. My opponents usually only complain about the fear ^^

sob3k

United States7572 Posts

July 01 2013 08:10 GMT

#112

Tank Fiddle just seems like a really bad version of Rammus...

Slow Clears
3 Second CCs
AOE ults with really close base damage

except Rammus has way better ganks most of the time and an absolutely obscene defensive steroid, plus he doesn't have to channel to start his ult, which can be really awkward for a tank role in the front line

outofmagik

5 Posts

June 19 2015 09:16 GMT

#113

Hey guys. I'm a relatively new fiddlesticks player (started in season 4) but I really enjoy his sort of 'tactical' playstyle. I would definitely like to update this page with the new season 5 changes and perhaps incorporate some of my builds/strategies.

IGN: Jessica the Jung

Also, if you would like, please check out my Season 5 fiddlesticks montage!