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r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 14 2011 01:36 GMT
#41
I started to go for RoA/Frozen Heart/Abyssal builds when I can't hug blue buff and for the Deathcap/Zhonyas/Void when I can. First build is pretty sexy cause you can tank like a baws.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 11:27:21
August 15 2011 11:26 GMT
#42
He's been my go-to jungler for the past month (when I'm not playing Amumu)... I open DRing off a 9/0/21 setup and flat AP quint + mpen mark + flat armor seal + ap per level glyphs. Smite/Flash obv.

Start at their double gol and do a ridiculous level 2 gank at the corresponding lane, then you're really free to go wherever you want. I usually just walk back to blue buff and take it but some teams play it smart and immediately run for the blue (as it's the logical next progression) so I can jostle people by just walking straight to mid and doing a level 2 gank again. Depending on the enemy jungler you might be able to catch and beat them at wraiths too.

WQWQ(or E)WR
W>Q>E

Item build tends to be 3 DRings into Deathcap and then Banshee/Void/Abyssal, but I've had a tendency to rush Hourglass instead depending on where my ults are going and how much of a priority the other team makes me, ie. if I'm ulting into towers to initiate/towerbomb then Hourglass kicks ass.

Main problem I'm having right now with Fiddle is money... I always have like the lowest (other than support) CS on the team, at inordinately low levels. Like 30 minute game don't break 100. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if that's just how things go.
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Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
August 15 2011 11:43 GMT
#43
Well fiddle is terrible at farming :< No way to clear creeps quickly except ult.

Obviously you must fight where there is a giant enemy creepwave so you can get cs with ult without your teammates yelling at you.
Stuck.
Truez
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia147 Posts
August 15 2011 12:21 GMT
#44
Be brave take fat farm using ult like I do :D.
alokin
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada269 Posts
August 16 2011 01:12 GMT
#45
my favorite champion! "fiddle dicks" fighting!!!!!!!!
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trollbone
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
France1905 Posts
August 16 2011 13:26 GMT
#46
fiddlestick is my favorite champion of all time and i was playing in ranked at first when he was not this good, and the thing is with fiddlestick there is one problem.

In the early game u can and its better to engage the ennemy champs with ure ult because champions lack burst damage to kill you but sometime ure team doesnt let u engage, however in mid and late game the tank in ure team should always engage (well if ure 15-0 ok u can) before you. This concept 3-2 month ago some people didnt grasp it and so u could loose game even if u had a very good early game because fiddlestick can carry a team ONLY if u have good coordination.

For the jungling, i take 9/0/21 flash/smite and the same as Soulthlight with runes. AP quint helps u a LOT for ure early jungling, armor is not mandatory but it hepls also a bit ure jungling and ure early ganks.

The best item to take first is a tome. Doran rings is a better item yes but like everybody now is that fiddlestick is not a good farmer and u need to level up ure tome to a lucky pick at ure first blue pill if u want to keep a gold influx in the mid late game.
There is no reason to take boots at ure first item cause ure junglin will be slower and the boot will help you just for a lvl 4 gank.
Ive played a lot of fiddlestick and with the increase of support bot lane who carries 2-3 wards at level 1 and the top lane with some form of substain, dont except to gank at level 4. Its better to jungle faster and to hit ure level 6 faster with boots and a kage lucky to start ganking with ure ultimate !

For the path with fiddle there is a lot of different path. U can start at their double golems or at their red even but the thing is, with so much people protecting their jungler at blue, a lot of them come a bit late to the bot or top lane and sometimes they can see you it can screw you by a lot (and i say that for a lot of champs ! chogath,trynd,ww, etc...)
Just dont do it if its the bot lane, they can burst you fast
If u start with their red u wont be level 2 but u will have just enough mana to do ure blue.
If u start at their mini golem u will be level 2 but u wont have smite ready for ure blue

THe general path is to drain the big wolf then do ure blue -> rest of wolf -> wraith -> red -> mini golems -> look at the lane next to you if u can gank, if u cant blue pill -> jungle to level 6 then gank

Dont invade their jungle, u have no escape mechanism,no cc until level 4 really, and frankly u wont kill someone if they play semi decent
TheBJ
Profile Joined March 2010
Bulgaria906 Posts
August 16 2011 13:50 GMT
#47
fIddle / lee sin are the best jungles ~2k + elo. Once one lane fails all they have to do is stick there and the game is pretty much over.

I am not very experienced since i only started playing 2 months ago and ranked since 3 weeks or so but im rocking 2k elo and ill share my 2 cents.
- Start golem , depending on heroes top and if your mate top has ignite gank and also requires a hero that can kill someone at lvl 1 with your help , its the way to go. I also buy the 20 AP tome as a starting item if the gank top is successful you can blue pill and get uout first gp5 item instanly. Clear rest of the junlge or gank if a flash is wasted somewhere.
- Keep in mind comming back top might not be the best idea since its already warded and the enemy jungler will probably be waiting to help there and fiddle aint the best in equal hero number fights on low levels.
-The first bought big viable items are:
-Deathcap ( You think you wont need zonya)
-Zonya ( The game is equal you might get instant gibbed if you ulti into many enemies )
- Rylai ( general hp / ap / utility )
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Rayansaki
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 14:34:26
August 16 2011 14:28 GMT
#48
On June 30 2011 10:02 NeoIllusions wrote:
So far, I like suicidal Fiddle the best. Full on AP/Magic Pen. Without RoA or Rylai's, you're fairly squishy but you deal enough damage to quad or ace the other team by trading your own life. I'd consider Banshee's if the enemy has the potential of disrupting Fiddle while channeling his ulti. Zhonya's as 6th item.

Just try your best to Fear and Drain the enemy AP carry. They're the only one who have the ability to burst you down before the full Crowstorm duration.


I agree with this, and is the build I run as well.

Only early def I get is from yellow/blue runes, other than that is MPen reds, AP quints, rush deathcap->void staff->abyssal scepter->zhonya->banshee

You are very squishy if they have disablers, but if they fail to disable you, the drain life more than makes up for your lack of defense, and it doesn't matter if you die after a triple/quadra or you get them so low that your team aces after you die.

I don't usually jungle with him, on my premade I go mid and swap at 6 with our jungler, and I just wander around the map ganking. The reason for this is that he is a terrible farmer, and a capable but slow jungler, so the plan is always to be the first to lvl 6, imediatly gank a side lane and then be in every gank possible while jungleing in the downtimes.
The only champion's he can't handle at all mid are vayne and malz because of their easy harass coupled with drain interrupt.

my build is (QW if jungle gank) (WQ if no gank)WQWREQQQRWWEEREE

Flash/Ignite 9/0/21
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alokin
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada269 Posts
August 19 2011 19:34 GMT
#49
i've noticed in the IEM none of the pro's pick someone like fiddle sticks? Why is this?


I am kind a noob in LoL (only 100 games) but enjoy it very much and fiddlesticks is by far my favorite champ..
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 19 2011 19:35 GMT
#50
He gets banned a lot between US players but EU players for some reason don't play him, dunno why.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 19 2011 23:03 GMT
#51
On August 20 2011 04:35 Southlight wrote:
He gets banned a lot between US players but EU players for some reason don't play him, dunno why.


Same reason why Rumble was popular on EU for the longest time and not apparent on NA.
No one shined with the champion on the server, so general public doesn't have the interest to try out/practice the champ.
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0123456789
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3216 Posts
August 19 2011 23:08 GMT
#52
I don't see EU players playing stronger junglers or jungling too well.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 19 2011 23:53 GMT
#53
On August 20 2011 08:08 0123456789 wrote:
I don't see EU players playing stronger junglers or jungling too well.


Definitely EU's weakest suit, as a whole. NA junglers are just multi faceted. Jungles swiftly, counter jungles, early ganks, non 5-man Drag potential.
EU can't counter jungle at all and I haven't seen solo Drag or Jungle+Bot lane Dragons by EU yet.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 07:20:38
August 25 2011 07:15 GMT
#54
I've been having pretty good luck with dringx2, mercs, abyssals, zhonyas, and then veil/wota/qss/rabadons as needed. It's kind of a late deathcap, but I haven't really felt hampered on damage. I guess it's the idea of dead men deal no damage.

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Also, I'm not sure if this was said, but the way I gank is:
Ult from out of sight > flash as needed > fear instantly, use fear time to get as close as possible to them, silence as fear ends, then channel w. Maximizes damage and CC time.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 25 2011 07:21 GMT
#55
Why mercs?

Zhonya => Deathcap es best. Reducing MR with a fast Abyssal doesn't really compare to moar AP of Deathcap.
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Cedstick
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Canada3336 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 07:51:21
August 25 2011 07:49 GMT
#56
Yep. Allows you to turret-dive with little risk as well, which is good as a jungler. It honestly depends on the game, but my most common build is Zhonya's in to Deathcap or Zhonya's in to Abyssal if they also have scary casters. If we're out-right wrecking in early game, then I'll sometimes risk straight Rabadon's. Sometimes if my jungling is going smoothly I'll open Rod of Ages, too.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-25 08:36:40
August 25 2011 07:50 GMT
#57
Mercs and abyssals give you decent tankiness, which synergizes with your life stealing pretty well. Sometimes I get sorc boots.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
September 23 2011 17:56 GMT
#58
Damnit I wanted to buy the fiddlesticks pumpkinhead skin but I can't Must have been a brief promotional thing? Hes a good changeup char I like his style. Plus saying Caw Caw all the time is fun as hell.

Fiddle has the best collection of skins omg. Fiddle me timbers and bandito fiddle and even spectral fiddle!
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Argoth.
Profile Joined December 2004
Germany1961 Posts
November 08 2011 20:02 GMT
#59
Does the magic resists decrease from abyssal scepter stack with fiddle's passive? And is anyone using will of the ancients for spellvamp?
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 08 2011 22:17 GMT
#60
On November 09 2011 05:02 Argoth. wrote:
Does the magic resists decrease from abyssal scepter stack with fiddle's passive? And is anyone using will of the ancients for spellvamp?

Abyssal scepter stacks with fiddle's passive. WotA is nice if your AP carry or support isn't building it but it's a luxury item for Fiddle imo
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