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I go 9/0/21 exhaust/flash. Boots/Sapphire-->Cata/Rod-->Deathcap (core items)
After the Rod/Deathcap it gets pretty situational, if my team benefits from will of the ancients I'll pick it up since it does come it quite useful during pushes/laning to always be at full hp. Usually I just get the first spellvamp item finish void staff then get wota into whatever luxury items might work out. I really don't plan out item builds for a full 6 slots since it really isn't that common to reach. But just for the hell of it here u go:
boots-->rod-->deathcap-->void-->wota/archangels--->zhonyas/BV
Rylais: I'm not a huge fan of this item but it's by no means useless. Extra HP and slow is nice especially if the other team is heavy melee. I'm completely fine relying on my initial wall slow to get me into a nice position to "die" so I usually invest into heavier AP items.
Archangels: I only get this as a 6th slot item when I just want as much AP as possible in a dragged out game. The Rod recipe is much nicer to your early/mid game while giving a wide variety of useful stats.
BV: I only buy BV versus casters who have a stun/silence in their burst that is instant like veigar/annie. Otherwise I'm fine relying on the zhonyas active to make sure I don't get completely blown up before I get to at least put down wall and get some nice AoE off.
Edit: (xPeke played an amazing karthus versus RainMan singed top, his cs was pretty incredible considering how aggressive that lane played out, I'm a fan even if they still lost that match) 
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Don't see how you can ever miss a Lay Waste with Rylai's slow proc. That in itself is reason enough to buy Rylai's imoimo.
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I guess I should give it a shot just for testing purpose. But I don't see when you can build rilay. You don't start RoA then ? Because you can't build rilay after RoA, you need rabaddon after that or you will be too low on ap. Starting with rilay also seems kind of strange because your items will basically be crap before you have the whole item.
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Rylais is like something you have to skip void staff for after rabadon/roa I don't see any other place to put it.
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Don't ever let 5HITCOMBO play karthus if he's on your team. Nuff' said.
<3
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On August 25 2011 03:31 Slayer91 wrote:
Rylais is like something you have to skip void staff for after rabadon/roa I don't see any other place to put it.
Which you can do at low elo because sometimes the other team is retarded and don't get any MR even when you are massacring them.
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Hey guys I finally bought Karthus!!!! :D
Hes great and hes gonna be my main mage forever <3333
Anyway, what do you think of my build?
Boots -> 3 HP pots -> Void Staff -> Zhonya's hourglass -> Sorcerers boots -> Rabadons -> Rylais -> Morello's Evil Tome
I like to rush Void Staff early because I want to do a lot of damage with my ult (I think lvl 1 Ult is horrible, I can almost never get a kill at this part)
My masteries are: 9(With magic penetration)/0/13 skipping out the summoner spell boosts for others
With 3 Magic penetration runes
I get the summoner spells: Flash and teleport
I'm only level 21 so please if theres any flaws, I welcome any criticisms.
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Imo Dorans ring--->boots 1+2x dorans-->Sorc-->Deathcap-->Rod of Ages-->Void staff is a superior build. Flash and tp is pretty solid though. 9/0/21 is standard caster setup, so can't go wrong with that.
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On August 26 2011 17:25 SEA_GenesiS wrote:
I like to rush Void Staff early because I want to do a lot of damage with my ult (I think lvl 1 Ult is horrible, I can almost never get a kill at this part)
i dig your enthusiasm but you need to do the math behind this purchase before you continue it
flat magic penetration, as found in runes, masteries, and sorc boots (all core on karthus) can give you 30+ magic penetration. your ult will deal true damage to anyone that isn't MR spec'd.
any MR on top will be hit by the voidstaff. so if they have 40 MR, the voidstaff will remove only 4 (40% of 40-30 for your flat pen). if they have 80, voidstaff will remove ~20. that's the same as a haunting guise. it's just not worth it at early levels
instead of that, you could spend 2k on pots, wards, and a NLR, and do OODLES more damage
get the voidstaff lategame when enemies actually HAVE MR
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On August 26 2011 17:51 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 17:25 SEA_GenesiS wrote:
I like to rush Void Staff early because I want to do a lot of damage with my ult (I think lvl 1 Ult is horrible, I can almost never get a kill at this part)
i dig your enthusiasm but you need to do the math behind this purchase before you continue it flat magic penetration, as found in runes, masteries, and sorc boots (all core on karthus) can give you 30+ magic penetration. your ult will deal true damage to anyone that isn't MR spec'd. any MR on top will be hit by the voidstaff. so if they have 40 MR, the voidstaff will remove only 4 (40% of 40-30 for your flat pen). if they have 80, voidstaff will remove ~20. that's the same as a haunting guise. it's just not worth it at early levels instead of that, you could spend 2k on pots, wards, and a NLR, and do OODLES more damage get the voidstaff lategame when enemies actually HAVE MR
Okay! Thank you you very much. 
I didn't really go indept and think about it really, I just thought it was incredibly effective to have that much MR early in the game.
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On August 26 2011 17:56 SEA_GenesiS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 17:51 gtrsrs wrote:On August 26 2011 17:25 SEA_GenesiS wrote:
I like to rush Void Staff early because I want to do a lot of damage with my ult (I think lvl 1 Ult is horrible, I can almost never get a kill at this part)
i dig your enthusiasm but you need to do the math behind this purchase before you continue it flat magic penetration, as found in runes, masteries, and sorc boots (all core on karthus) can give you 30+ magic penetration. your ult will deal true damage to anyone that isn't MR spec'd. any MR on top will be hit by the voidstaff. so if they have 40 MR, the voidstaff will remove only 4 (40% of 40-30 for your flat pen). if they have 80, voidstaff will remove ~20. that's the same as a haunting guise. it's just not worth it at early levels instead of that, you could spend 2k on pots, wards, and a NLR, and do OODLES more damage get the voidstaff lategame when enemies actually HAVE MR Okay! Thank you you very much. I didn't really go indept and think about it really, I just thought it was incredibly effective to have that much MR early in the game.
Please read the thread. You will find several good karthus builds. Yours is well .......... far from optimal.
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Rylais is simply awesome on karthus, Wall has too long cd.
boots+3 -> tear -> hextech revol -> roa(if you think it's gonna be long game)/rylais -> finish wota
finish sorc boots at some point where you get the monies, get voidstaff when they start building MR. Tear and hextech I consider core, with those you have the sustain on lane and in smaller fights, Rylais on top of that for never ever missing your target and the hp boost. Pretty much like Dyrus plays Karth I guess.
You won't have the 800 ap by that point, but you don't need it either, you have enough hp buffer to stand in the fight a bit longer and be annoying. Use flash offensively after initiation to get into the thick of it, point of this build is to be very aggressive. Wall + rylais slow will keep the enemy team crawling while they are in your defile. If you get fed early and finish items fast you'll be at high AP compared to the enemy's item build lvls, so ulti is better then used during the initiation before the flash in, in most cases.
I find this way of playing karthus far more fun and effective than the glass cannons I see far too often. Like one guy whose "core" was 2x archangels + rabaddons. He had less hp than a Shaco jungler so he sure didn't need the mana from those 2 AAs as he was dead after landing his wall. All the AP in the world isn't gonna help you too much if you die in 2 hits. By no means build a tank (although trolling with tank build is also fun :D), but don't overestimate your passive either, you gotta be able to take a few hits while you give them out while still alive. Once you die you are immobile, so if the enemy team is able to reposition during the fight, all you are left with is your ulti and that's like being an Annie who only flashes in to drop tibbers and dies right before the rest of her spell reel.
Anyway that's my take on Karthus, I've been having fun playing like this.
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On August 26 2011 19:16 RouaF wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2011 17:56 SEA_GenesiS wrote:On August 26 2011 17:51 gtrsrs wrote:On August 26 2011 17:25 SEA_GenesiS wrote:
I like to rush Void Staff early because I want to do a lot of damage with my ult (I think lvl 1 Ult is horrible, I can almost never get a kill at this part)
i dig your enthusiasm but you need to do the math behind this purchase before you continue it flat magic penetration, as found in runes, masteries, and sorc boots (all core on karthus) can give you 30+ magic penetration. your ult will deal true damage to anyone that isn't MR spec'd. any MR on top will be hit by the voidstaff. so if they have 40 MR, the voidstaff will remove only 4 (40% of 40-30 for your flat pen). if they have 80, voidstaff will remove ~20. that's the same as a haunting guise. it's just not worth it at early levels instead of that, you could spend 2k on pots, wards, and a NLR, and do OODLES more damage get the voidstaff lategame when enemies actually HAVE MR Okay! Thank you you very much. I didn't really go indept and think about it really, I just thought it was incredibly effective to have that much MR early in the game. Please read the thread. You will find several good karthus builds. Yours is well .......... far from optimal.
I never actually asked anyone to give me a new build, just to review it. Please review my post again.
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What I meant is that if you had read this thread you would've understood that your build isn't good. Your post almost sounds like a troll post "hey guys i'm lvl 23 what do you think of my build I rush an item which is only useful in late game and I complete my lvl 2 boots after having bought two expensive items meaning i'll get them at the 35min mark"
Might sound a bit rude but it's how it is. So here are my advices :
get lvl 30
read about optimal templates/runes
experience yourself
try out different things you think would be good
post feedback !
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A tip that might help you with your ults a bit if you're having trouble getting kills with it, even though it's probably obvious to most people anyway, is to aim to use it on players that have health at around 1/2-3/4 the amount of damage your ult will be doing.
Lots of champions can shield/heal each other and, if you cut it too fine, even a couple of hits on a creep with lifesteal during your 3 second channel or just chugging a HP pot can be the difference.
That way you're less likely to experience the most frustrating feeling in the world, which is channeling your ult on a 'sure kill' and just have it followed by silence.
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Generally I open either Dorans or Boots + 3 mana pots. Then I build a catalyst into a RoA then deathcap with sorc boots of course
And for your ult at lvl 1 really get on your teammates with telling you about other champs. Or suggest they engage the enemy and you can nuke them and give them a bit of an edge in the engagement.
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So I just bought Karthus yesterday morning, and the pentakill skin, only to have him disabled entirely after 4 games :/
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On August 25 2011 03:39 TadH wrote:
Don't ever let 5HITCOMBO play karthus if he's on your team. Nuff' said.
<3
quoted for truth
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Played a game last night with a hard farming Karthus who eventually had a Deathcap and FIVE Archangels. He had a hair shy of 1500 AP. His defile was all he really needed at that point with more than 4k mana and the ticks doing upwards of 20-25% damage on the enemy carries.
It was beautiful.
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On August 31 2011 05:46 StrigHT wrote:
Played a game last night with a hard farming Karthus who eventually had a Deathcap and FIVE Archangels. He had a hair shy of 1500 AP. His defile was all he really needed at that point with more than 4k mana and the ticks doing upwards of 20-25% damage on the enemy carries.
It was beautiful.
i did that a few times with heimerdinger, xcept i had zhonya's ring (and the 3 blasting wand vers at that). damn i feel old
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