EPT[Champion] Karthus - Page 3
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
On August 17 2011 01:54 wei2coolman wrote: Ugh, Hate having a karthus on my team, they never participate in any teamfights, and only use their ulti. Suicide Karthus is the best, but too bad almost no one plays him like that. Well, you just have to hope you team up with me then. You'll like how i play Karthus. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 16 2011 19:31 RouaF wrote: Hey, 2K ELO eu west karthus here (with about ~65% winrate with him, used to had 70 qq). I think this post sums up best what my build is. The reason you do NOT get tears is because you will be waaaaaaaaay to vulnerable to early ganks, cata is so much better early on. With no tears mana becomes a problem, you cannot spam E as much as you want and you have to use it carefully till you get blue. Once you have blue you can spam like a boss. Also getting rilay is ... stupid sorry guys, it really is. The role of karthus is to deal shitloads of damage not to get hitpoints or a slow. With rilay you *might* be able to get some more solo kills but that is unlikely and that is not what karthus is meant for, you are a MASSIVE damage dealer in team fights. To do even more shitloads of damage you need deathcap. To sum it up : 9/0/21 (obvious, with 2 points in +30% neutral buffs) red mpen, yellow & blue ap per level, quint flat ap start : boots + pot x3 (too dangerous to start sapphire against something like annie or brand with boots) then catalyst -> mpen boots -> roa -> deathcap -> blue pot -> void staff -> depends (usually banshee but in some case you can build even more damage) in some case you can get banshee before void staff summoners : depends, but i get ignite most of the time when there is a healer in the opposite team PS : the only downside of this build is that you do not want your blue buff stolen. if your team is pushed/hasn't got the advantage you will be very sad because of no blue. You will still have quite much mana with roa but you want be able to spam E infinitely, in this case rushing in and dying (in teamfights) is almost always the better option (don't run OOM ! smart players will just ignore you till your whole team is dead). Of course this is not meant to be played in a dual ap setup, if you're top and anivia is mid you will most likely need tears. Why do Europeans build everything so badly. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
wei2coolman, you are playing with inexperienced Karthus players then who are too tentative with a squishy. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On August 17 2011 14:35 SEA_GenesiS wrote: I really want Karthus badly, wish Riot would put the price down on him i still have about 4100 points left to go Hehe he was the 1st champ I saved up for back when I 1st started playing. Now I basically only play him! Though I don't play much anymore | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 17 2011 14:28 Slaughter wrote: Boots 1st? I only use boots + pots if im forced to lane otherwise I go dorans 1st into a cata to RoA. Then next items are built depending on what the other team is doing with their builds and team make ups. wei2coolman, you are playing with inexperienced Karthus players then who are too tentative with a squishy. I actually agree with boots first. Pretty much every mid nowadays starts boots so you're forced to open boots or pretty much lose the lane automatically. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
Lol. Could you elaborate ? And not just quote a wall of text and say "meh it's bad" ... posting standards ... TL .. etc. | ||
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BordZ
Australia118 Posts
I will put it to you this way, with the crap ap ratios he has on defile you are better of living for 2 to 3 seconds longer than dying and going out with rather underwhelming bang. I especially laugh when i see an archangels on him that isn't his last item. Glass cannon for the lose. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Tear is a great item on Karthus as long as you don't die from being very vulnerable until you get Rylais. Against Annie it's pretty much suicide to go tear. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On August 18 2011 05:41 RouaF wrote: Lol. Could you elaborate ? And not just quote a wall of text and say "meh it's bad" ... posting standards ... TL .. etc. Sorry I take that back. It's an ok build but I still think Tear is needed. I've had succesful games with tear though so I guess both work. I'm still a bigger fan of Tear unless I need Catalyst for the laning power. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On August 16 2011 19:31 RouaF wrote: Hey, 2K ELO eu west karthus here (with about ~65% winrate with him, used to had 70 qq). I think this post sums up best what my build is. The reason you do NOT get tears is because you will be waaaaaaaaay to vulnerable to early ganks, cata is so much better early on. With no tears mana becomes a problem, you cannot spam E as much as you want and you have to use it carefully till you get blue. Once you have blue you can spam like a boss. Also getting rilay is ... stupid sorry guys, it really is. The role of karthus is to deal shitloads of damage not to get hitpoints or a slow. With rilay you *might* be able to get some more solo kills but that is unlikely and that is not what karthus is meant for, you are a MASSIVE damage dealer in team fights. To do even more shitloads of damage you need deathcap. To sum it up : 9/0/21 (obvious, with 2 points in +30% neutral buffs) red mpen, yellow & blue ap per level, quint flat ap start : boots + pot x3 (too dangerous to start sapphire against something like annie or brand with boots) then catalyst -> mpen boots -> roa -> deathcap -> blue pot -> void staff -> depends (usually banshee but in some case you can build even more damage) in some case you can get banshee before void staff summoners : depends, but i get ignite most of the time when there is a healer in the opposite team PS : the only downside of this build is that you do not want your blue buff stolen. if your team is pushed/hasn't got the advantage you will be very sad because of no blue. You will still have quite much mana with roa but you want be able to spam E infinitely, in this case rushing in and dying (in teamfights) is almost always the better option (don't run OOM ! smart players will just ignore you till your whole team is dead). Of course this is not meant to be played in a dual ap setup, if you're top and anivia is mid you will most likely need tears. So at what ELO does EU west's builds start to follow what they say? Whether or not I disagree with getting Rylai's, you say Karthus needs no health, then get BV AND RoA (and no tear)? | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
I started to use the boots + pots opening more and I like being able to spam Q a bit more for harass, especially vs players who are not skilled at dodging or have predictable movement patterns. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On August 17 2011 01:54 wei2coolman wrote: Ugh, Hate having a karthus on my team, they never participate in any teamfights, and only use their ulti. Suicide Karthus is the best, but too bad almost no one plays him like that. Yeah, Skillthus players are amazing. Do nothing to help their team and suck horribly, get 2 kills with their ulti after a team fight and proceed to claim they are the best players ever in chat. That ulti really should be changed, so boring and has pretty much no element of skill for the opposing players. Vlad can pool it, some heroes can shield it... but most characters just have to hope they have enough hp or defense to take it. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
Account for his ult damage. EDIT: I really wish Karthus Q could be toggled between automatic smartcast and point-and-click. I hate the former. I bought Cass without knowing her Q was the same... | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On August 24 2011 21:27 jtype wrote: They could make it that you can only use the ult when you've just died, and if you get a kill, you come back to life. That would be pretty funny. Hell, how about just having his ultimate always do 100% true damage, and every time he kills someone with it, he gets an extra life? Sounds perfectly balanced to me. | ||
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
On August 24 2011 15:53 Zdrastochye wrote: So at what ELO does EU west's builds start to follow what they say? Whether or not I disagree with getting Rylai's, you say Karthus needs no health, then get BV AND RoA (and no tear)? Way to not read the entire post ... amazing. I've highlighted it for you. The reason you build banshee later on is mostly because there are no amazing ap items left, but as I've written it DEPENDS. You read in my post only what you wanted to read. edit because maybe it's not clear (but seems obvious) you build RoA first because you built catalyst .... | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23401 Posts
Tear of the godess on karthus? Why? You're going to die before you run out of mana. Karthus doesn't burn mana fast all spamming Q and when you are using E you are generally flashing into their team and killing them all dying in the process. Once you're dead you have no mana issues. On August 17 2011 13:01 HazMat wrote: Why do Europeans build everything so badly. Like these kind of comments coming from inferior karthus players piss me off. Why go tear+rylais instead of building RoA and then getting more AP? You're getting blue buff 95% of the time anyway and as I said you'll die way before you run oom. Again, there's no such thing as a bad item but investing 1k into an item that gives no damage and no defensive stats is highly questionable unless you are in a double AP setup where you definitely won't be getting blue and 1: Definitely not on US server 2: Still don't think its needed. And how tanky you build on Karthus depends purely on their teamcomp IMO. If they have annie or something and someone to kick you away like lee sin or alistar you cant' afford to get roa/void staff/deathcap because they just insta burst you before you can get into a good position. Then fair enough RoA/BVeil/Rylai is fine but normally your Wall+flash into them is enough to do more than enough damage to win a teamfight. | ||
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