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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
On October 14 2011 23:59 crate wrote: It should push through (can't stun on them) just like Poppy's E does. I agreee. Afaik, you can't even pin your opponent's on Dominion using the nodes itself =(. | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
On October 13 2011 11:09 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I think Wriggle's -> BC is the new cool build for Vayne. And if not Wriggle's, then just pick up vamp scepter + BC. Attack speed synergizes with her W and R well. And BC is such a super strong mid game item. If you are super cool, you go QEWEER and get a kill at level 6, then W>Q>E and pick up BC and you kill tanks in mid game fights like they are nothing. But if it's not gonna be easy kiting, then Q>W>E for lower cooldown and you do somersaults all around the battlefield. Low CD on Q makes you many invisible when you R, so do good juking. I think she should almost always pop ult as soon as she gets 6 unless she's losing the lane really bad. If there's no juicy opportunity to get a kill pre-6, then be sure to have near full mana when you hit 6, because at full mana you can E, R, and Q like 3 times. You don't want to be choosing between an E or Q's. You need em both. Anyway, you don't need to be super aggressive. Don't do anything risky. If you land a stun with E while your ult is up, you probably just won the lane. Using ult to take over the lane, even when a kill isn't guaranteed, is usually much better than saving it for a gank. And I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but I'm pretty sure it's correct: leveling Q and keeping W at level one makes for a faster early dragon kill than leveling W (assuming you're gonna be using Q's on the dragon). But of course, you should be a boss and level E and kill someone. Just want to say that I use this build and it's sooo gooood. Cloth5 opening is amazing in pretty much every AD lane, and if you know you're going to lane against pure heavy AP, then Boots3. Wriggle's is like the best laning item ever, even after the nerf. Once you get a BC, things melt. Get a PD and then a BT after that, and snowball doesn't actually come close to how hard you demolish people. | ||
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
Bug or ninja nerf? | ||
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AwayFromLife
United States441 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
There's a lot of ways to build her since she's so strong, but the tried and true build that works even better on her due to ignoring armor is IE/PD. cant decide if i like tristana or vayne better now | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 17 2011 05:54 little fancy wrote: Somebody else noticed that E doesn't add a silver bullet proc anymore? I was told by a jungle Nocturne today and I had an eye on this: he was right. Bug or ninja nerf? Confirmed this in a custom game. Might be because of the bug when it interacted with Karthus/Koggles. Will check with a Rioter on this. | ||
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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
On November 17 2011 05:54 little fancy wrote: Somebody else noticed that E doesn't add a silver bullet proc anymore? I was told by a jungle Nocturne today and I had an eye on this: he was right. Bug or ninja nerf? Yeah i noticed this playing her earlier today. If this is the case then its a pretty big nerf to her laning. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
I like the build Tyler put, Boots/Cloth first - Wriggle's - BC - PD - etc seems to be what a lot of pros do as well. I'm a bit tripped up over leveling skills. A lot of Solomid guides say max E first, but they're kind of old and using E a lot doesn't feel right, you rarely get the stun (except on Dominion, so good there). I think (R >) Q > W > E sounds best, Q burst is nice, low CD good for kiting/running/chasing, and W procs hurt so bad. Or do people still max E first? I mean, the burst damage and knockback/stun is really nice, but I just don't feel it's as good of an option all the time. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
Chaox recently remade his Vayne guide close to a week ago: http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=9735 Has the old masteries but that isn't too hard to figure out. | ||
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On November 18 2011 08:43 Gahlo wrote: I know Chaox goes E first, Westrice likes Q. I guess it all depends on if you think you can land it often enough to make it worth it / how easy it is to line up a shot again the person you're laning against. Chaox recently remade his Vayne guide close to a week ago: http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=9735 Has the old masteries but that isn't too hard to figure out. I actually like to max W first, and I think Westrice does that more commonly. Even against squishies, the silver bolts proc does rediculous damage. I think the main difference in playstyles for Vayne comes in who maxes what second. I know Chaox and Westrice like E, but I like the Chinese playstyle of maxing Q second for lower cooldown during chases and for repositioning in a teamfight. | ||
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
On November 18 2011 10:00 little fancy wrote: As for now I woudn't consider maxing W first since E still doesn't add a silver ring which is kinda essential because you often either start or finish a 3-hit-combo with it. The thing about not maxing E first is that your main source of damage output is from your W and tumbles, your E is merely used when you're in the proper position to stun them. It's here that I feel maxing tumble second allows you to re-position much better, especially in a 1v1 situation. edit: obviously if you max W first you have to get black cleaver as your first core item instead of BT my typical build is BC, PD (or triforce if i'm really fed), some defense, BT, finish off with another PD | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On November 17 2011 06:03 MoonBear wrote: Confirmed this in a custom game. Might be because of the bug when it interacted with Karthus/Koggles. Will check with a Rioter on this. Just as an update, this bug has been hotfixed.  | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 18 2011 13:24 MoonBear wrote: Just as an update, this bug has been hotfixed. Yeah, noticed that last night I suddenly realized that landing an E stun was basically instant death. Good times.The more I play her, the more I like her. I've been varying what I level first, depending on the situation, which is fun. It makes the gameplay a bit more variable compared to other champs. My thoughts: Bruiser/tanky heavy team: R > W > Q > E Easy lane/enemy isn't cautious: R > E > Q > W Tough lane/enemy has better poke: R > Q > E > W W feels like the "one point wonder" ability, and I didn't really focus on leveling it except that time I laned against Amumu/Graves. On November 18 2011 22:10 Gahlo wrote: So, I haven't been playing vayne a really long time but I usually do at least decent with her. That is, unless I'm laning against a zilean. Is there anything to do other than turn and run? Cause it seems like a hopeless lane. Well, Zilean is Zilean. Maybe grab a NMM early on, maybe go for Merc's. His bombs are his only damage, so if you can eat the damage, you can generally chase him down and kill him. The damage peters out around ~5-6, so once you get your Ult he's food. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
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TieN.nS)
United States2131 Posts
On December 13 2011 14:56 Vaporized wrote: i picked up vayne over the weekend and have played 15ish games with her so far. i started out following builds like bt or bc first with wriggles or doran but it seems much more effective to go IE to PD, and then go from there. IE + PD i dont think anyone can outdps that. after that i add on a bt or bc or another pd depending on what i need. ive been maxing w first as e seems a bit situational, granted i still kinda suck with vayne but have started carrying pretty hard in my last few games. is there something im missing in regards to bt or bc builds. BC is great early to mid-game but doesn't scale well, get it when you want to end games quickly. Wriggle's is a terrible item (it is good situationally, but if it's part of your standard AD build...), especially when you're going BT. As an AD carry you want IE if you can get away with it, as it's the highest DPS item. However, Vayne has 550 range and as such BT is standard on her; additionally, Q and E scale very well with the extra AD. Maxing W first is not very good in lane, R>Q>W>E is standard priority order nowadays unless you are confident you can stomp them in lane, in which case maxing E first is good. | ||
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Vaporized
United States1471 Posts
i guess ill go with what i need more bt or ie when im choosing my first item. ive found myself wishing i had lifesteal for sure a few times, but if im patient in team fights\ganks then i dont really get hit anyway. i can tell they want to kill me, but if we have good cc they die before they can do anything. ill try maxing q first next game, i like w because i do good damage to any target. also one more question, what lane does vayne usually take in ranked games? | ||
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