EPTSomething like brutalizer phage aegis ghostblade.
[Champion] Renekton - Page 9
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
Something like brutalizer phage aegis ghostblade. | ||
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little fancy
Germany2504 Posts
So currently, I'd go some kind of CLG.eu Wickd style build. When Renekton was released, his base stats (especially with fury) were so ridicoulus that you could go full tank and still kill all the squishies ez pz. Since base damage got reduced significantly, his ratios got increased and Wickd's build makes full use of it. Renekton now is not unkillable anymore, but deals a serious amount of damage while you can't ignore him. Build order depends on the enemy and what he is going for, but at 6 items, it looks something like this: Boots (Merc / Tabi) Bloodthirster Randuin's Maw of Malmortius Last Whisper Guardian Angel (or Aegis if no one else got it for your team) Let's you live long enough (€dit: remember that he gets 600 HP from his lvl 16 ultimate which is why you can get away with not too many HP items) to get a 2nd spell cycle off, but you can't function as the main tank anymore. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
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Bladeorade
United States1898 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
On September 05 2012 21:11 Feartheguru wrote: Don't ever think about getting ghostblade on renekton, never mind rushing it, if you never play the champ don't say random stuff to confuse people. Well if your 3-0 at 8 minutes running 25 armourpen runes, brutalizer -> ghostblade -> second brutalizer gets you like 66 flat armourpen, and you basically do true damage for the rest of the 20 minute game. | ||
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-Kato-
Spain1146 Posts
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
It probably comes down to skill, but I feel like Renekton has the advantage. Also make sure you have the two masteries that give you flat damage reduction, and always use the minion wave to keep the situation favorable. It's really unlikely a Riven is going to have -4 damage vs minions, so if you land a fury empowered cull the meek on her in the middle of a minion wave, she's not going to win the trade unless you sit around and let her whack you all day long. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On September 19 2012 03:02 BlasiuS wrote: How do you trade with Riven as renekton? Is there a way to, or is renekton just hard-countered by a riven of ≥ skill? I always have trouble against riven as renek. Riven is op and gonna nerfed. Meanwhile consider watching when her abilities are on cooldown, which is very short window to do something (she has very short cooldowns). If enemy picks Riven, only decent counter is Yorick (who is not actually counter, you still stay alive in the lane). If you don't believe she is op, just look at her stats and abilities: 4 dashes, attack based shield, aoe stun (which is far more better than renekton's) and aoe damage ult. And everything is on low cooldown. She has high base damage and regen etc... On September 19 2012 03:25 zer0das wrote: I have personally never had an issue with the matchup. Stun her if she tries to do anything to you, then unload your full combo, and dice away. Fury empowered Cull the Meek should make it easy to outsustain her, even if she somehow manages to outdamage you. Keep your engagements short (unless you have a massive advantage), the longer they drag out the more Ki Burst and Valor will come into play (they have lower cooldowns than your skills), so it will start to swing into her favor. It probably comes down to skill, but I feel like Renekton has the advantage. Also make sure you have the two masteries that give you flat damage reduction, and always use the minion wave to keep the situation favorable. It's really unlikely a Riven is going to have -4 damage vs minions, so if you land a fury empowered cull the meek on her in the middle of a minion wave, she's not going to win the trade unless you sit around and let her whack you all day long. you can't trade evenly with a good riven, she will turn on her shield and your Q is worthless. And your 0.75s stun is nothing compared to her 1s stun, which has low cooldown. Also, Riven has higher health regen which is why she will have more sustain. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
i highly suggest watching him when he plays, one of the only pros who believe he's viable and play him | ||
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jacosajh
2919 Posts
Q Q Q W, then E away and you will never get a Q or W off. If you chase with your E, you're getting smacked by minions and opening yourself up to a gank. Even if you manage to catch Riven, you won't do as much damage nor regain as much life from the trade. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 19 2012 04:43 bokeevboke wrote: Riven is op and gonna nerfed. Meanwhile consider watching when her abilities are on cooldown, which is very short window to do something (she has very short cooldowns). If enemy picks Riven, only decent counter is Yorick (who is not actually counter, you still stay alive in the lane). If you don't believe she is op, just look at her stats and abilities: 4 dashes, attack based shield, aoe stun (which is far more better than renekton's) and aoe damage ult. And everything is on low cooldown. She has high base damage and regen etc... you can't trade evenly with a good riven, she will turn on her shield and your Q is worthless. And your 0.75s stun is nothing compared to her 1s stun, which has low cooldown. Also, Riven has higher health regen which is why she will have more sustain. While I agree with Riven being a hard lane for Renekton, I think you're way overestimating several things. Riven's dashing with Q is slower and her Valor barely brings her distance above Renekton with 2x slice and dice(260 x3 + 325 vs. 450 x2) Also, Riven's stun is just as long as yours, it's not 1 sec, it's 0.75 sec. 3 health per 5 sec is not a huge difference in sustain that will keep Riven sustained for the whole lane. It's not even 1 auto attack per minute difference. Renekton's Q doesn't become "worthless" the moment Riven turns her shield on either - it still punches through (riven isn't maxing it vs. you) and heals you. Not sure how Renekton is "supposed" to play the lane, but it isn't the Riven-walkover you say it is. I do know however, if Renekton is denied rage (can't even auto creeps) then Riven will win exchanges. Renekton needs his rage to win exchanges. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
if you get the stun off she wont deal any damage throughout the entire trade | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On September 19 2012 04:57 jacosajh wrote: ??? Riven just straight rapes Ren in trades. Q Q Q W, then E away and you will never get a Q or W off. If you chase with your E, you're getting smacked by minions and opening yourself up to a gank. Even if you manage to catch Riven, you won't do as much damage nor regain as much life from the trade. It really sounds like you haven't played the matchup at all, there's no way she's landing 3 Q's on Renekton without taking anything in return unless he just fell asleep at the wheel. Also the minion wave should always favor Renketon, because his fury empowered q+defensive masteries means he's massively favored when a fight takes place in the minion wave. To the person who says she shields and you're worthless- uh, no. She has to choose between damage or her shield, she can't max both early on. Reneketon's primary damage skill is his q, which is also what gives him his sustain, and makes him a beast trading in the middle of a minion wave. You don't even need to trade evenly with her (although I would argue that is quite easy to do, and even winning a damage trade is quite feasible) because of how much Renekton's empowered Q heals him. The way you lose the lane as Renekton is by trying to kill her too early instead of biding your time, slowly wearing her down with your fury enhanced skills. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On September 19 2012 05:51 zer0das wrote: It really sounds like you haven't played the matchup at all, there's no way she's landing 3 Q's on Renekton without taking anything in return unless he just fell asleep at the wheel. Also the minion wave should always favor Renketon, because his fury empowered q+defensive masteries means he's massively favored when a fight takes place in the minion wave. To the person who says she shields and you're worthless- uh, no. She has to choose between damage or her shield, she can't max both early on. Reneketon's primary damage skill is his q, which is also what gives him his sustain, and makes him a beast trading in the middle of a minion wave. You don't even need to trade evenly with her (although I would argue that is quite easy to do, and even winning a damage trade is quite feasible) because of how much Renekton's empowered Q heals him. The way you lose the lane as Renekton is by trying to kill her too early instead of biding your time, slowly wearing her down with your fury enhanced skills. You seem to completely overlook riven's passive, even if she doesn't land any of her Qs (suppoeing you're retreating after your combo), she can dash-shield to you and make three hits which are quite enough to take 30-40% of year health. Plus, the main problem of renekton is to gain his fury and long cooldowns. You have to use your 50 fury to heal which is why creeps gets pushed, and riven can do whatever she wants. Believe me, I have played this matchup vs decent rivens, and its pretty onesided. Oh, and everyone seem to forget her infamous escape mechanism. Top gets ganked every once in a while, but nvm, riven got 4 jumps and stun, she doesn't even need to flash. And riven is free to reign the top. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On September 19 2012 12:57 bokeevboke wrote:You seem to completely overlook riven's passive, even if she doesn't land any of her Qs (suppoeing you're retreating after your combo), she can dash-shield to you and make three hits which are quite enough to take 30-40% of year health. Plus, the main problem of renekton is to gain his fury and long cooldowns. You have to use your 50 fury to heal which is why creeps gets pushed, and riven can do whatever she wants. Believe me, I have played this matchup vs decent rivens, and its pretty onesided. Oh, and everyone seem to forget her infamous escape mechanism. Top gets ganked every once in a while, but nvm, riven got 4 jumps and stun, she doesn't even need to flash. And riven is free to reign the top. Riven can completely miss one of her skills and outdamage Renekton? Are you for real? Because Renekton can't auto her in the mean time meaning the actual damage difference amounts to like 10-20 damage a hit (at level 6, depending on rune setups)? Even if she uses her stun, that means she's only getting in one extra autoattack. If you've already landed your full combo, I don't see how she can possibly end up ahead at this point. Broken wings pushes the lane almost as much as Cull the Meek, but she doesn't heal from it. I don't like playing the matchup, because taking into account junglers, it is an absolute pain in the arse with a lot of early interference because Riven can cruise past her weak point and she's more useful later. But I don't understand why people are saying Riven>>Renekton and give examples that are not at all realistic. It's not like Renekton is easy to kill with his stun, double dash, and ult that gives him a bunch of flat health on command either. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 11 2013 06:20 zer0das wrote: I just wanted to say I absolutely love Ravenous Hydra on Renekton. The active essentially removes the animation on his w when used immediately after it, which makes his combo a lot smoother (on top of doing a lot more damage), while giving him lots more sustain. I agree with that, though I've found it hard to fit in a build. It's tough to give up the CDR on brutalizer, and Renek doesn't need the pushing power from Hydra, and I'd rather get LW/Maw over Hydra most of the time if I need a 2nd damage item. The burst from Hydra when their team is cc'd by a wombo combo is hilarious though. | ||
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