after 200 games ranked with renekton.. rushing brut and maybe a dorans first back... is the only items u need offensively. waste if u build more AD. he doesn't scale like riven when u build AD. brut/dorans and sunfire early will rape any top lane.

Simberto

Germany11547 Posts

June 17 2013 15:30 GMT

#182

Sure you would say that, Malphite. Just so he can't hurt you at all with you 300 armor.

Silentenigma

Turkey2037 Posts

June 17 2013 21:40 GMT

#183

On September 19 2012 03:02 BlasiuS wrote:
How do you trade with Riven as renekton? Is there a way to, or is renekton just hard-countered by a riven of ≥ skill? I always have trouble against riven as renek.

Rene is one of hard counters to riven.You outtrade and outscale riven in even levels.Just dont get lvl 2 or lvl 6 cheesed.Only chance to stay even trades for riven is maxing her E.
Every time she comes to stun you you can stun her first and Q her.You can also dodge her Q s with your E.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

July 02 2013 00:51 GMT

#184

I'm really bad at Renekton, like I think I've won like one game with him bad. Anyone got some beginner tips? I would like to be good at him because I think he's a solid Top laner, but there's just something about him I'm not wrapping my head around. I feel like I lose almost all trades even if I get a little bit ahead.

Complete

United States1864 Posts

July 02 2013 01:15 GMT

#185

On July 02 2013 09:51 onlywonderboy wrote:
I'm really bad at Renekton, like I think I've won like one game with him bad. Anyone got some beginner tips? I would like to be good at him because I think he's a solid Top laner, but there's just something about him I'm not wrapping my head around. I feel like I lose almost all trades even if I get a little bit ahead.

I mean, you probably know this, but in case you don't...

E in -> W stun -> Q -> E out should work in most matchups and win you trades without much/any return damage.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

July 02 2013 01:22 GMT

#186

On July 02 2013 10:15 Complete wrote:

Show nested quote +

I mean, you probably know this, but in case you don't...

E in -> W stun -> Q -> E out should work in most matchups and win you trades without much/any return damage.

I think I've been Q-ing before W, but this makes a lot more sense.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

July 02 2013 01:55 GMT

#187

Levels 1~3 use your fury to empower your W; it does insane amounts of damage. Post lvl 5 when you have 3+ levels in Q start empowering that instead. When you have level 2 Q and level 1 W it doesn't matter which one you empower, they do roughly the same damage.

A good trick with Renekton is to build your fury to 40~45, then do your combo. E->W->Q->E out. Using W gives you 10 fury if you're under 50 so make sure you account for that when trading. However, you don't always have to stun before using Q. After you get level 3 Q, as long as you're hitting the enemy laner with empowered Qs you should be able to win basically any trade. Also don't be afraid to auto them and trade that way, as well. The heal from Q more than makes up for whatever minion damage you'll take. As long as you're saving your second E activation to disengage you should never really lose any trades. Post-6 you stomp on almost every single other laner whenever your ult is up, especially if you take ignite. You can even 1v2 some situations with your ult.

onlywonderboy

United States23745 Posts

July 02 2013 02:06 GMT

#188

Maybe I've been playing too passive in lane then. Good advice all around, I'll be sure to try this next time.

zer0das

United States8519 Posts

July 02 2013 02:30 GMT

#189

Manage your fury well. Push the lane so you hit 2 first, then get an empowered w+and slice and dice off on your opponent. It should leave them quite low, and let you dictate the lane (at least until the enemy jungler comes around). If you don't push the wave after that, the opposing wave will push back and be at your tower at around level 4-5, which gives you a really good opportunity to force your opponent to recall or to kill them. Build tanky aside from brutalizer, Renekton's base damage is really good (generally get defenses before brutalizer- ie, sunfire cape and merc treads or tabi).

Also I suggest watching/reading Souza's guides, because you can get a really good idea of how to play Renekton in a variety of matchups. I already had a pretty good idea of how to play Croc, but his guides helped iron out a lot of the kinks in my play and start winning 60-70% of my games with him.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409971

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

July 02 2013 06:02 GMT

#190

I usually get brutalizer, but will occasionally get 2 dblades instead. I usually do this in games where getting brutalizer/cleaver isn't optimal (you need to be super tanky and can't afford to spend so much on damage for example). As Renekton you always want to get some damage due to how great you scale with AD, but don't go overboard buying damage unless you're completely stomping since as Renekton you usually want to be in the thick of things when teamfights start.

Arisen

United States2382 Posts

July 07 2013 05:21 GMT

#191

Trying pick up Renekton. I have a problem sometimes deciding weather or not to really focus on harass. Curently I'm just doing the combo every time E is up, but sometimes I find (especially vs sustain champs) I miss some CS and I slowly fall behind.

How do I know when it's appropriate to trade?

HoriZoNXI

Australia310 Posts

July 07 2013 07:02 GMT

#192

I'm mid-silver elo and wrecking with Renekton so far 6-0, winning every lane. However I have no paid any attention to his fury or passive but focus on csing and harassing when my CD's are up and his are down (usually). Should I start focusing on using the right skill with fury and if so which for what situation?

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

July 07 2013 08:09 GMT

#193

Personally, I focus on last hitting and pushing the lane to build up fury. Levels 1~3 I make a point of trading when my stuff is off cooldown and I can hit them with empowered W. Level 4+, you want to initiate trades at 40~49 fury. E in ->W->Q then auto attack or E out depending on the situation. This way, you hit them with empowered Q immediately after stunning them. Sometimes, depending on how safe they're playing and/or the match-up, it may be hard to hit them with the stun. In those cases, just build up 50+ fury, E in into Q range, use empowered Q. If possible, trade with empowered skills; the damage difference and your ability to trade is hugely different between using empowered and non-empowered skills.

Generally speaking, you get the most damage levels 1~3 from empowered W and from levels 4+, you get the most damage from empowered Q. You should be maxing Q>E>W, although I think Darien has maxed E>Q>W before but that's a more teamfight oriented build.

miicah

Australia2470 Posts

September 03 2013 02:03 GMT

#194

Starting items for renekton? I tried dolans shield and pots vs Irelia (jungle camped, not enough sustain) and rejuv/5pots/ward vs malph and neither seemed to work well.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

September 03 2013 02:40 GMT

#195

Those both work. Although you can also start dblade or red elixer+3 if you want to all-in at level 2/3

Both those matchups should be in your favor tho...Altho malph might be a bit harder.

miicah

Australia2470 Posts

September 03 2013 06:32 GMT

#196

Yes the Irelia won was going well but I was overconfident and assumed their Lee had left. She snowballed levels/phage off that. Malph had a very weak early game but it seemed once he hit around 4/5 his Q poke was huge - I did run 21/9/0 in that lane so that probably had something to do with it.

I have been rushing hydra but it makes me feel squishy so I think I may stop that.

ZataN

New Zealand414 Posts

September 04 2013 04:41 GMT

#197

On September 03 2013 15:32 miicah wrote:
Yes the Irelia won was going well but I was overconfident and assumed their Lee had left. She snowballed levels/phage off that. Malph had a very weak early game but it seemed once he hit around 4/5 his Q poke was huge - I did run 21/9/0 in that lane so that probably had something to do with it.

I have been rushing hydra but it makes me feel squishy so I think I may stop that.

I just build hydra first and build no more damage items generally. Sometimes I just build tiamat and go straight into Sunfire. The tiamat improves renekton's combo a bunch with the W cancel I feel like its worth it. Im pretty bad though.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

September 04 2013 07:44 GMT

#198

If you rush hydra then at the point where teamfights break out you are generally way too squishy. Renekton is one of my most played champs and at this point the most I ever build is a brutalizer and that's only if something occurred to make me really fed early. Otherwise I just build sunfire or visage first depending on the lane matchup and the enemy team comp. You beat Irelia in early levels but if you don't punish her enough or you get cocky, it's very easy for Irelia to start being able to 1v1 you once she has enough armor. Especially if you rush hydra or something you won't have enough health to be able to beat through Irelia's lvl 4-5 hiten true damage. It's similar with malphite except if you just let the lane go too easy for him neither of you will be able to kill each other and it's really annoying to not be able to pressure a lane as Renekton. Renekton doesn't even really need offensive items to do a lot of damage in teamfights. Just with sunfire + ult you do quite a bit of aoe magic damage and I still end up with a lot of kills just going sunfire+visage as my first two items. Play Renekton like Darien. Forget tiamat and hydra.

Simberto

Germany11547 Posts

September 04 2013 08:45 GMT

#199

Yeah, on Rene i usually get either a dorans blade or a brutaliser if i feel like i need damage in lane, and straight into visage/sunfire afterwards. Tiamat/Hydra is nice i guess, but for the same amount of money you could have a brutaliser and half a sunfire cape. Which is both better in lane and better in teamfights.

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