EPT[Champion] Ryze - Page 13
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:26 Lorken wrote: Why do you get Catalyst before Glacial? I like getting it first because of the cooldown reduction I can let the other mage have Blue. Rod of ages has a really nice mana amount though. Assuming you're going mid against another AP, you're probably going to need health, not armor. Against aggressive laners like Kass, Akali, etc, you don't want to be squishy. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 16 2011 15:26 Lorken wrote: Why do you get Catalyst before Glacial? I like getting it first because of the cooldown reduction I can let the other mage have Blue. Rod of ages has a really nice mana amount though. Because Catalyst is one of the strongest laning items in the game? If you're absolutely crushing your lane opponent mid, then you probably get Glacial first. But in a close game, you shouldn't be winning so hard that you can afford to spend 700 gold on armor (which is going to be next to useless in AP carry matchups), instead of buying a strong lane sustain item. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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Lorken
New Zealand804 Posts
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Hyren
United States817 Posts
How I should I approach this match-up? Go for boots before tears to help dodge barrels? Go Catalyst first and try to force him out of lane? Boots then Catalyst? | ||
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On November 18 2011 04:29 Hyren wrote: so...I was mid against a Gragas last night and I felt like I couldn't match his sustaining ability at all. He'd harass the shit out of me with barrels and I couldn't trade with him efficiently or dodge the barrels. I ended up farming under tower too often because he'd push the lane hard so I had to q for last hits and ran oom a lot. Our jungler came for a gank but he just flash/body slammed away. I finally died to a Ult/Barrel/Body Slam combo but managed to get a kill in return when I came back because he didn't b. By this point I was at half of his cs and he dominated the game. How I should I approach this match-up? Go for boots before tears to help dodge barrels? Go Catalyst first and try to force him out of lane? Boots then Catalyst? Boots into cata probably, what you want to do is be very careful about positioning, don't let him hit the creep wave and you at the same time with barrels. All you have to do is dodge a ton and wait for him to miss a barrel, then instantly go in when its on cooldown and hit him with a combo or a poke. If he is playing very aggressive and body slamming you even then when you go up then you can save w for last and not allow him to hit you with it, or if you are low on mana just make sure you try to go in for the combo while standing near as many creeps as you can. Body slam splits damage between all near targets to the one hit, so if you aren't alone when he hits you with it you will take drastically less damage, then you can use the fact that he charged so far forward to hit him with another Q or combo while he retreats. Its still gonna be rough because he has good sustain and much longer barrel range than any of your skills. Definitely open boots. | ||
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Haasts
New Zealand4445 Posts
On November 14 2011 16:10 NeoIllusions wrote: For Ryze... Off tree: CDR, Magic Pen (AP not as useful) Def tree: Health and Resists Uti tree: Mana, Mana Regen, CDR http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=0-0-4-0-0-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-0-3-0-1-3-0-0-3-1-0-4-0-1-3-1 However, since Frozen Heart is a staple on Ryze and Blue buff typically goes on him too, you technically could skip on CDR in masteries and end up with: http://thefwcentral.com/lol/#&trees=0-0-4-0-0-4-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-3-0-0-3-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-1-3-0-1-3-0-0-3-1-0-0-0-0-0-0 You'd hit Magic Pen, Mana, Spell Vamp and essential survivability masteries early up on Def tree. Grabbing Neo's post from the S2 masteries thread so I don't lose track of it. What's the consensus on swapping out Mental Force's flat AP from T1 offense for stronger auto-attacks via Butcher/Brute Force/the Ignite portion of Summoner's Wrath? While I certainly need to improve my last-hitting, as Ryze I feel I'm under a lot more pressure to farm under my tower with all the Morgana/Malzahar/Sion wave-pushing shenanigans currently seen in mid. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
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TiBe
Mexico200 Posts
I read some tips like buy and early negatron cloack, harass him before level 6, use ignite on him, etc.. Although these tips have made it a littlbe bit (and just a little bit) easier, I have so much troubles, am I right? Is swain counter to ryze? | ||
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h3r1n6
Iceland2039 Posts
On November 26 2011 00:47 TiBe wrote: I'm having troubles laning against swain.. too much that it seems that he's a counter to ryze :-( I read some tips like buy and early negatron cloack, harass him before level 6, use ignite on him, etc.. Although these tips have made it a littlbe bit (and just a little bit) easier, I have so much troubles, am I right? Is swain counter to ryze? Well, he outsustains you hard. Neither of you can push very well, so it comes down to harassment/trades, at which swain will beat you. Anticipate and dodge the nevermove and break the tether from the bird (in short, try to avoid eating his full combo. If his spells are on cooldown, try to move in and hit him with your full combo. Don't try to whittle him down, because that just plays into swains strength, nuke him when you can and other than that stay safe and try to just keep farming. Go for a quick banshees veil, which should help you a lot fighting him. Edit: If you want to troll him, take cleanse or build a quicksilver sash, which remove his torment and ignite, so his nuke won't be very scary. But I'd recommend using the banshees veil, since its way more useful.  | ||
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Woony
Germany6657 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 27 2011 03:21 Woony wrote: I think I've heard Regi say that Ryze got nerfed by the new masteries & is not that good anymore in comparison to others. What do you guys think? sounds about right. utility tree is complete shit. | ||
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Craton
United States17282 Posts
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On November 27 2011 03:31 wei2coolman wrote: sounds about right. utility tree is complete shit. i wouldn't listen to anything reginald says theorycraft-wise | ||
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arthur
United Kingdom488 Posts
On November 27 2011 04:21 freelander wrote: i wouldn't listen to anything reginald says theorycraft-wise Regarding the new masteries... Ryze got a tiny little baby nerf, whereas every other caster got a small buff. This doesn't mean ryze is bad now. Ryze is still awesome. | ||
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